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    cheater!!!!!!! ya got this elketik spinnin thang!!!! that ain't fair!!!!!! youse prably got them dremel tools and drill press thingy too. why back in the day alls i had is blacksmith furnace and a hammer!!!!! i tells youse we has to make our own parts to fix parts we's already did.......


    great job!!!! esp the drill bit weld!!!! i've never thought about using drill bit....you learn something new everyday.


    i don't know if it helps or not, but this is what i do (or my gunsmith)
    http://www.thehawkenshop.com/Instructions/gms.pdf
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    Not exactly E. R. Shaw, but the barrel worked out well. I couldn't wait to rework the bolt face (bolt wouldn't close fully assembled on a cartridge) so I rebatted a rim and test fired it successfully. A couple of issues: firing pin is too small of diameter as a bit of primer is extruded into firing pin hole and it's obvious that one would not get many reloads out of a cartridge as the annulus in the bolt face indents the head slightly. I don't know if this happens with the carcano 6.5-7.35 as I've never fired one before. I guess it shouldn't be a surprise given that the .308 is a little more uffda than the carcano.

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    Now it's cleanup time; fit it to stock, fix all the accumulated issues and then see if it can hit anything.

    So this show is pretty much over - my carmoucano project - I had a blast doing it.

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    Yeah 444, I cheat wherever I can. I even have a drill press and (gulp) headspace gauges!

    The drill bit thing is interesting. While welding, it can air harden (best are just plain carbon steel which leads one to Home Depot or better, Harbor freight do not use any high-speed tool steel drill bits) so's you have to maybe anneal again to normalize. it's a cheap *** way to go.

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    This. This is why I love this site.

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    it sure is!!!!!!
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    I want to thank you all for the kind comments. I've been out on a nice long successful moose hunt: no phones, tee vee or internet just peace and quiet in remote Alaska with friends and the pleasure of teaching a couple of (willing) young humans woodcraft. Being a part of youngsters education is a treasure beyond compare! As I said, this thread is pretty much over but for a range report.

    I am really, really thinking hard about making a stock out of plastic for a Carcano as I plan to do several in different calibers but that will be a whole nother thing for another thread.

    Thanks again and regards....

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    copperlake: When you do decide to make a fiberglass stock, please do a thread about it. I've been wanting to try one for years, but carving and inletting wood stocks is taking up enough time that I haven't got to it yet. BTW, excellent work on your gunsmithing.

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    I'm standing by for the 1916 with the '98 bolt head thread!

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    Quote Originally Posted by K43 View Post
    I'm standing by for the 1916 with the '98 bolt head thread!
    K43, alas it will probably be awhile as I have a carcano Jones these days. Here's the thing about this particular conversion: yes, it makes the '93 have the safety feature of a large diameter bolt shroud for escaping gas protection and the bonus of cock on opening, but we still have no third lug. Now those two things are substantial, don't get me wrong but, I'm working on the idea of adding material to the receiver aft of the bolt handle and deepening the notch (necessary for scope mounting) for the bolt handle in order to make a proper 'third lug' as it is now 'modern'. There are issues with a '98 bolt that would be tricky to pull this off. This would be much easier using a Chilean '95, of which I have several, and I might go thataways. Easier in that it's already going in that direction because that was the original idea with the '95 and not much material (I think) would needs be added. BUT! I have to get over my carcano Jones first, I'm just that way about things.

    Thanks for the comment - I'll let you know, if ever.

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    Copper Lake what you said about Bondo is true it is not the strongest stuff , but if you look into Bondo tht is not light weight and made for the marine industry you will find a type that is strong enough for any hunting rifle. I don't think you could bed with it but for stock work the really good marine bondo is plenty strong. If a boat yard is near by tell one of the painters what you are doing and what you are using and what its for and they will have something that is locally available.

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    Love the creative stock work. I’ve done 2 rifles like that where I’ve fit a ruger mini bbl/action into a M1a and a garand stock. I used jbweld and oak to fill in the obvious voids. Camo painted the ‘m1a’, haven’t gotten that far on the T-20 Garand repro but will do a WW2 pattern. Initially thought of using the stocks as patterns for a duplication but I like the camo look fine. Spent enough time and money on them.

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    Just to kinda finish up here: I'll add that I got the stock formed into something reasonable, painted it black for to show contrast on further development (the forend needs a LOT more work) and took it to the range. I rebarreled 15 actions over last winter-spring along with this guy last and out of all of them, it shot by far the worst! I'm going to completely free-float the barrel and do some more trigger work and have another go down the road. It's funny, even though the barrel was of unknown pedigree, the bore looked exceptional and being set back, all the throat was removed. Four shots, the first two 1.65" @ 50yd and the second two closed a bit Some of the Rem 700 barrels that were jump-ropes shot better, much better! The only other thing is the crown was a radically tapered cone so I'll trim that off and start again.

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    Overall I like the look and it handles well, so there's that....

    I think next up is going to be a Type I in .243 or a M38 in .458 socom. I haven't wrung the carcano thang out of my system yet.

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BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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