So..friend is asking me to sell some rifles for him.
Haven't had any luck selling them here.
Haven't done it in a long, long time.
I would prefer to send then to an FFL.
Would I need someone with an FFL send it?????
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So..friend is asking me to sell some rifles for him.
Haven't had any luck selling them here.
Haven't done it in a long, long time.
I would prefer to send then to an FFL.
Would I need someone with an FFL send it?????
Unless they are an antique, curio, or relic it would be a real good idea to go through a FFL on each end if you're not face to face.
Without a pretty decent incentive, I wouldn't mess with 'em.
Another option:
Some local gun stores will take weapons on consignment.
Going rate is 20%, and they usually get more for them than you could anyway.
It's worked out OK for me a few times.
Last edited by Winger Ed.; 05-10-2020 at 03:13 AM.
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To answer the OP, it depends. If shipped across state lines, [Case 1] some private citizens ship through the Seller's FFL to the Purchaser's FFL as the safest (but not least cost) way to go. [Case 2] private citizen ships to the Purchaser's FFL.
In Case 2 you will want to talk to the Purchaser's FFL. Get a feeling for the man. Get a copy of his license to assure it is valid and current, to add it to the shipping manifest, and to assure that he is willing to accept the transfer from a private citizen through his FFL prior to your accepting the sale or shipping anything.
A phone call should help you decide if the FFL is real or a shill. If a shill, you may get "pushback", "attitude", a denial of the necessity for him to provide a copy of his FFL to you for shipping, or a host of other "flakey" responses that might tip you off to his being less than cooperative to complete the transfer safely, correctly, timely, and transparently.
If selling face-to-face (FTF), [Case 3] insist on seeing and copying the Purchaser's valid and current Concealed Carry Weapon (CCW) Permit for your record of the sale. If FTF and they do not have a valid and current CCW then [Case 4] insist the sale occur through the Seller's FFL.
Only you will know, from your short FTF (and maybe phone call) interaction with the Purchaser, if that individual is respectful, agreeable, presents well, sober, or nervous, won't make eye contact, shifts weight from foot to foot, or any number of "red flags" raised in your gut about the sale. You can sell to whomever you wish within the laws of your State...or in the end - [Case 5] sell to someone else.
If it was easy, anybody could do it.
A description of them would be helpful!
Consignment usually works well because the #1 enemy of most retail operations it $$$ in inventory - no problem in this case so the shop will take them on for much less margin.
If rare then Gunbroker or auction house.
if you haven't had any luck selling them here than maybe he thinks they are gold and I doubt you will have much luck selling them elsewhere unless you go to gunbroker and take your chances.
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Obviously you need to follow state law for an in-state deal, but that rarely include doing things like producing a bill of sale or maintaining copies of drivers licenses or other permits to “prove whole you sold it to”. These extra-legal requirements accomplish nothing, and while I support the seller’s right to ask for whatever he wants, I am disappointed that the culture of fear has so permeated the community.
For an interstate sale you can ship to the buyers FFL, and in your ad you may say that the buyers FFL must accept shipment from an individual. In this situation the buyer contacts his FFL and has them send you an electronic or fax copy of their FFL, if it looks good you ship to the address on the form including a copy of your ID and a note about who the buyer is so the FFL can contact them when the shipment arrives, I usually just write the buyers name and contact info on the FFL and put a copy inside the box and keep a copy for my records. A simple google search will often make it clear if they are a valid and current FFL.
Even though you can send it, you may find it cheaper to have your FFL send it because they have fewer shipping restrictions. The difference is significant for handguns, I don’t recall for long guns.
Good luck, and if the guns haven’t sold locally in the past month the seller’s expectation of value may be incorrect.
How a good a "friend" is he/she? Red flags go up for me when I hear stuff like this. It is not rocket science to sell a gun on Gunbroker.
I used to use Gunbroker a lot and had no problems shipping guns but always shipped to an FFL. I plan on selling another 10-12 guns this year and may post here first but will use GB if I must.
Some "specialty" guns (high end trap guns, CAS etc) can be sold in forums that cater to those sports.
Don Verna
Some FFL's don't want to provide FFL's as they are afraid that someone might create a fake FFL using their number. If the FFL won't give you a copy, then ask for the first three numbers and the last five numbers so you can do an FFL EZ-Check and verify validity of their FFL and don't ship to an address not on the FFL. That way their full FFL numbers aren't revealed but you have enough to do your due dilligence
Last edited by rockrat; 05-10-2020 at 05:50 PM.
normally when I sell a rifle the buyer actually provides the ffl the gun goes toOriginally Posted by abunaitoo
all they need from the seller is a copy of their drivers license
Hit em'hard
hit em'often
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearm...censed-persons
https://support.gunbroker.com/hc/en-...Shipping-Guide
https://www.pewpewtactical.com/how-to-mail-guns/
You do not need to use an FFL holder to send a firearm to another FFL holder legally, however, a lot of FFL holders chose not to receive firearms from non-FFL senders. Also noter the shipping regs within your own state. Your state also may have State Level requirements.
Last edited by M-Tecs; 05-10-2020 at 01:50 PM.
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Theses have to go out of state. We're on an island.
These are Steyr Mannlicher.
People here don't even know what they are.
No one here is willing to pay what they are worth.
When I've sold before, I sent to a FFL only.
I'll probably go FFL to FFL and add to the price.
Plus my having to box them real good.
Shipping is going to be high.
I was thinking of using a cardboard tube.
This way it doesn't look like a firearm.
Last edited by abunaitoo; 05-10-2020 at 05:26 PM.
Tube idea is out.
Just can't find any that are reasonable.
Where would I find rifle boxes?????
I have a few, but those are mine.
Want to have him get his own.
I don't know the particulars in Hawaii but some states are now requiring FtF private transfers use an FFL. I suggest looking into that if you haven't already.
Here in WA if I want to buy a $50 old single shot .22 fron my next door neighbor I have to pay the local FFL $35 for the transfer and background check on the buyer.
Amazon sells rifle shipping boxes.
East Tennessee
One thing about using a local FFL to ship, they are also getting stuff in and so will often have boxes. Of course the FFL will need to log the rifle in, pack it, and ship it. If you pack it up he’ll have to unpack it to log it in and out.
Use what a dealer of fine guns would ship in and insure as such, and it does not matter if it looks like a gun !My C Sharps $3000.00 + I UPS shipped insured in a crate I built ,it got there priority and safely ,why would you skimp on shipping???
I'm not planning on making anything on these.
Just helping him out.
I have sold some of his rifles for him at the Gunshow.
This is turning into more work than I thought.
Taking them to a Gunshop is an option.
But they take big cut, so they might just sit for a long time.
Then getting the back, he has to go through all the BS with changing back the ownership.
If I knew someone moving to the lower 48, that would be the best option.
Friend mover to the great state of Tennessee last year.
But he was over loader with all his toys.
I'll have to get with him and hash this out.
He is not walking very good.
Not really doing all that great.
His kids are more or less useless.
I think there might be some urgency in doing this.
Put them on GunBrokers. If you want you can include the the FFL must take from private sellers or pay the additional FFL fee.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
I used to buy and sell on gunbroker a long time ago.
I think they changed hands a few times since then.
Had a bad experience selling there.
Don't want to deal with the lurkers there.
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