Is the 35 remington about the perfect bottle neck round for cast?

[dragon813gt]

I find it neither perfect or even optimal. Don’t get me wrong, I hunt w/ one. But there are better cartridges available. The 358 Winchester tops the list for me. Brass is readily available since it can be converted from 7.62x51. Is technically a more powerful round when loaded to potential. And it has a neck. If lever guns are your thing you can convert a Savage 99 in 308 if you can’t find an original.

Another one I find better is 356 Winchester. You can convert a Marlin 336 in 30-30 if you don’t like any of the rifles originally charred for it. And if it’s like mine you don’t need the semi-rimmed brass. Mine feeds normal 308/358 brass just fine.

35 caliber is both perfect and optimal for hunting w/ cast bullets IMO. Lots of factory rifles available for them. And if they don’t exist you can have one converted to suit your needs.

[gwpercle]

On the cover of Col. E. H. Harrison's book , " Cast Bullets" , a 1979 NRA publication is a photo of a Seaco pot , a bench top covered with an assortment cast boolits , a mould , a red plastic ammo box with loaded rounds , 35 cal. boolits pointed up and a target taped on the wall , with the
notation on it :
100 yards
35/30-30 WIN
Rem 788
290 gr. Hoch
32.9 grs. WW748
and the target showing two 5 shot groups ...one measuring .88 " and the other measuring .77" !

I bought the book and hoped to learn of the 35/30-30 Win , maybe it could rival the 35 Rem.?
30-30 cases were much easier to come by .... But alas... there wasn't one article or word written about the 35/30-30 in the book ! Lots of other neat stuff but nothing 35/30-30 .
Still I wouldn't mind trying one out ...could be a winner in cast .
Gary

[KCSO]

If you can find one a Model 8 Remington has none of the detriments of the Marlin lever and makes a perfect 35 Remington cast bullet gun. No problem shooting at the same velocity as the factory loads and a marvellous plinker/ bolt action with cast 38 bullets.

[MT Gianni]

I didn't get real serious about deer hunting until my late twenties, but I killed my first buck with a .35 Remington. Used a very old Marlin, probably late '40s vintage, with the long barrel, pistol grip and perch belly forend. Even remember the load; one of those bulk packaged 200 grain Remington Core Lokts Midway used to sell and 35 grains of IMR 3031.

I bought the rifle because I was getting serious about casting and figured the .35 Remington was best all around cast cartridge, but I hadn't been doing it long enough to try cast bullet deer hunting yet, just didn't have the knowledge of faith in it yet.

Rich, to help nail down a date on that rifle, Marlin introduced the 35 Remington in 1951.

[dtknowles]

The necks too short and it doesn't have a rim. Far from perfect. Not sure if there is even a perfect cartridge.

Tim

[W.R.Buchanan]

I have another similar gun, it's a #4 Mk1 Longbranch that was a Parker Hale "Deluxe" Sporter. The bore was toast, so I had it rebored to .35-303 by JES Reboring.

The recommendations for loads for that cartridge are,,, start with .35 Rem Data and work up.

So I expect all of the info on this thread will be of some use.

Also as an asside: my Tru Value Hardware Store in Ojai has 3 matched Remington 14's for sale .30 Rem, .32 Rem, and .35 Rem!

Randy

[fiberoptik]

.35-40 Krag.


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[Good Cheer]

Designed this and had it built forty years ago.

It's my baby, my perfect bottleneck cast round.

[444ttd]

although i am a connoisseur in 1898 springfield armory(bubbasized) in 30-40 krag, i'll take a 35/30-30 in win 94(post 64) with williams fp sights. i never had any 35 cal, be it 35 rem or 358 win or... i HAD a 30-30 (my first rifle) and i could not complain about it or the deer it slayed. it stayed in my safe for about 25+/- years. about 5 or so years ago, i'd heard that i could take my 30-30 and rebored it to 35/30-30. well, i didn't have the money or i spent it on rifles, until last year. JES Reboring does a really really really nice job. although i have shot 1 doe with the 35/30, the m94 is MY rifle. i have the 30-40 krag, 444 marlin, 45-70, 500 linebaugh, 7.65 argentine, 8x57, 9.3x57.....but the 35/30 is tops in my book!!!!

i like the long case neck and i luv the heavier weight boolits. unfortunately, my boolit weight is 200gr fn gc(rcbs) and i don't wanna leave that weight!!!! i have found a 270gr bullshop stomper ( https://bullshop.freeforums.net/thre...llshop-stomper ) but i like the 200gr.


sighting it in

[45-70 Chevroner]

I didn't get real serious about deer hunting until my late twenties, but I killed my first buck with a .35 Remington. Used a very old Marlin, probably late '40s vintage, with the long barrel, pistol grip and perch belly forend. Even remember the load; one of those bulk packaged 200 grain Remington Core Lokts Midway used to sell and 35 grains of IMR 3031.

I bought the rifle because I was getting serious about casting and figured the .35 Remington was best all around cast cartridge, but I hadn't been doing it long enough to try cast bullet deer hunting yet, just didn't have the knowledge of faith in it yet.

If your Marlin is actually a 1940s model it has regular cut rifling.

[Texas by God]

It’s very good; if it was based on the 8x57 case head- it would be very great. If I had one it would pry me away from the 30-30 and 38-55, maybe. I’ve had a Marlin Texan .35 and a Remington 141 and they both shot great but never tried cast. I did try cast in the .358 Win and it was brilliant. For a traditional lever action, I’m going to vote for a JES 35-30 conversion.

[dverna]

You are overthinking it unless you want a rifle for both plinking and game. Brass can be an issue for a rifle that will be used a lot, but immaterial in a hunting gun. 100 cases will last a lifetime of hunting. My plinking, fun and close range varmint duties fall to .38/.357 rifles. YMMV

Saving a couple of grains of powder is immaterial when looking at cast loads for hunting. Nothing magical about the .35 Rem, and it is a fine round. I see no advantages to cast bullets for hunting, but if I had hunt with cast I would look at the .35 Rem, .338 Federal, .358 Win., 375 Win or .38/55.

Btw, I have a .30/30 I was going to convert to.35./30 but I could never justify it. A lot of money for what?

My perfect hunting caliber is the .308 with premium jacketed bullets. LOL. Sub MOA, effect range 400 yards, and a cheap Compass rifle that was under $225. 500 jacketed bullets were $150....a lifetime supply.

[richhodg66]

If your Marlin is actually a 1940s model it has regular cut rifling.

Yep. That was the reason I bought it.

[Edward]

I"d say the 30-30 is a great cast shooter ,but the 35 Rem has killed a pile of deer for me with the RCBS 200 gr FN over 2400 powder .

[Larry Gibson]

I concur the 35 Remington to be an excellent and very efficient cast bullet cartridge, especially for hunting game such as deer and pigs. Perhaps not any better than the 30-30 or other similar cartridges when loaded for the old semi and lever actions it was originally made for. However, when loaded to a reasonable pressure potential [not to be confused with the low SAAMI MAP] in a bolt action rifle having an appropriate twist the 35 Remington really performs as well or better than any of the others. I normally push the 200 gr RCBS 35-200-FN to 2150 fps with 4895 at 100% load density. In the 14" twist Shilen barrel on my M91 Argentine Mauser action the accuracy and terminal effectiveness out to 200 yards rivals anything I've used in other cartridges. A 230 gr cast 35 XCB bullet is driven to 2300+ fps with 1.5 moa accuracy (10 shots @ 100 yards with the aperture sights) but I have not shot any game with it. On the light end for plinking, small game and fun shooting the Lee 356-120-TB (.359 out of the mould) over 5 gr of Bullseye at 1170 fps does the trick as does a 358477 over 3 gr Bullseye at 850 fps.

The efficiency and accuracy are there in the 35 Rem. Target shows 2 5 shot groups to zero the 200 RCBS load at 100 yards and a 5 shot 200 yard group.

[gwpercle]

The necks too short and it doesn't have a rim. Far from perfect. Not sure if there is even a perfect cartridge.

Tim

What about the 35/30-30 Win. ? Might be close...but you're right , in this world nothing is perfect .
Gary

[dtknowles]

What about the 35/30-30 Win. ? Might be close...but you're right , in this world nothing is perfect .
Gary

35/30-30, no factory rifles.

Tim

[45-70 Chevroner]

Yep. That was the reason I bought it.

I have one that was made in the 1950s and it had cut rifling, I say had, because I sent it back to marlin in 2006 and had them put a 38-55 barrel on it. Marlin had a program for a short time and for $280 they would do the whole job including a new stock, forearm, barrel, and a new bolt to work with the rimmed case and what ever else it needed for the change over. They even sent back to me all my old parts.

[444ttd]

Designed this and had it built forty years ago.

It's my baby, my perfect bottleneck cast round.

alright, now you have my interest!!!!!

[444ttd]

35/30-30, no factory rifles.

Tim

i might be cheapo himself, but a 35/30 should be on your list of guns to buy. i luv mine. when i was 13 y.o., my grandfather gave me at christmas a win m94 in 30-30. i can't tell you how many times i shot deer or at targets. i started reloading several years ago(28+ years ago) and my 30-30 went back in the safe and i "decided" that i didn't need it anymore. it was and is good cartridge, but after shooting deer with one shot, i went to an '06 in rem m700 mountain rifle and that started "my decline into handloading."

the 30-30 brass is everywhere and me being cheap, could use to form a 35/30. somebody better than i can explain "i can use a 35 rem? die to make up my 35/30." i went to ch4d and got 35/30 dies and while i was at it i went to starline brass and bought 250 pcs of 30-30. then i decided, "what the heck?" and got a williams fp peep sight. i'll have to buy my mould, but bull shop makes a 200gr fn gc (rcbs). i should have gone to 245gr saeco fn gc or a 270gr bull shop stomper, but the 35/30 luvs a 200gr.

i took out 100pcs of 30-30 starline brass and ran them thru the 35/30 die and i trimmed them. i fired them 9 or 10 times(200gr fn gc with 20.0gr of 2400/dacron) and never been trimmed(expect the 1st time) or annealed. now if that ain't cheap, i don't know what is.

i gave my 30-30(federal, remmies, winnies, pmc....) cases to my dad, savage m340 in 30-30.