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Thread: Is the 35 remington about the perfect bottle neck round for cast?

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    I find it neither perfect or even optimal. Don’t get me wrong, I hunt w/ one. But there are better cartridges available. The 358 Winchester tops the list for me. Brass is readily available since it can be converted from 7.62x51. Is technically a more powerful round when loaded to potential. And it has a neck. If lever guns are your thing you can convert a Savage 99 in 308 if you can’t find an original.

    Another one I find better is 356 Winchester. You can convert a Marlin 336 in 30-30 if you don’t like any of the rifles originally charred for it. And if it’s like mine you don’t need the semi-rimmed brass. Mine feeds normal 308/358 brass just fine.

    35 caliber is both perfect and optimal for hunting w/ cast bullets IMO. Lots of factory rifles available for them. And if they don’t exist you can have one converted to suit your needs.

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    On the cover of Col. E. H. Harrison's book , " Cast Bullets" , a 1979 NRA publication is a photo of a Seaco pot , a bench top covered with an assortment cast boolits , a mould , a red plastic ammo box with loaded rounds , 35 cal. boolits pointed up and a target taped on the wall , with the
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    100 yards
    35/30-30 WIN
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    290 gr. Hoch
    32.9 grs. WW748
    and the target showing two 5 shot groups ...one measuring .88 " and the other measuring .77" !

    I bought the book and hoped to learn of the 35/30-30 Win , maybe it could rival the 35 Rem.?
    30-30 cases were much easier to come by .... But alas... there wasn't one article or word written about the 35/30-30 in the book ! Lots of other neat stuff but nothing 35/30-30 .
    Still I wouldn't mind trying one out ...could be a winner in cast .
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    If you can find one a Model 8 Remington has none of the detriments of the Marlin lever and makes a perfect 35 Remington cast bullet gun. No problem shooting at the same velocity as the factory loads and a marvellous plinker/ bolt action with cast 38 bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    I didn't get real serious about deer hunting until my late twenties, but I killed my first buck with a .35 Remington. Used a very old Marlin, probably late '40s vintage, with the long barrel, pistol grip and perch belly forend. Even remember the load; one of those bulk packaged 200 grain Remington Core Lokts Midway used to sell and 35 grains of IMR 3031.

    I bought the rifle because I was getting serious about casting and figured the .35 Remington was best all around cast cartridge, but I hadn't been doing it long enough to try cast bullet deer hunting yet, just didn't have the knowledge of faith in it yet.
    Rich, to help nail down a date on that rifle, Marlin introduced the 35 Remington in 1951.
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    The necks too short and it doesn't have a rim. Far from perfect. Not sure if there is even a perfect cartridge.

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    I have another similar gun, it's a #4 Mk1 Longbranch that was a Parker Hale "Deluxe" Sporter. The bore was toast, so I had it rebored to .35-303 by JES Reboring.

    The recommendations for loads for that cartridge are,,, start with .35 Rem Data and work up.

    So I expect all of the info on this thread will be of some use.

    Also as an asside: my Tru Value Hardware Store in Ojai has 3 matched Remington 14's for sale .30 Rem, .32 Rem, and .35 Rem!

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    .35-40 Krag.


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    Designed this and had it built forty years ago.

    It's my baby, my perfect bottleneck cast round.

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    although i am a connoisseur in 1898 springfield armory(bubbasized) in 30-40 krag, i'll take a 35/30-30 in win 94(post 64) with williams fp sights. i never had any 35 cal, be it 35 rem or 358 win or... i HAD a 30-30 (my first rifle) and i could not complain about it or the deer it slayed. it stayed in my safe for about 25+/- years. about 5 or so years ago, i'd heard that i could take my 30-30 and rebored it to 35/30-30. well, i didn't have the money or i spent it on rifles, until last year. JES Reboring does a really really really nice job. although i have shot 1 doe with the 35/30, the m94 is MY rifle. i have the 30-40 krag, 444 marlin, 45-70, 500 linebaugh, 7.65 argentine, 8x57, 9.3x57.....but the 35/30 is tops in my book!!!!

    i like the long case neck and i luv the heavier weight boolits. unfortunately, my boolit weight is 200gr fn gc(rcbs) and i don't wanna leave that weight!!!! i have found a 270gr bullshop stomper ( https://bullshop.freeforums.net/thre...llshop-stomper ) but i like the 200gr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    I didn't get real serious about deer hunting until my late twenties, but I killed my first buck with a .35 Remington. Used a very old Marlin, probably late '40s vintage, with the long barrel, pistol grip and perch belly forend. Even remember the load; one of those bulk packaged 200 grain Remington Core Lokts Midway used to sell and 35 grains of IMR 3031.

    I bought the rifle because I was getting serious about casting and figured the .35 Remington was best all around cast cartridge, but I hadn't been doing it long enough to try cast bullet deer hunting yet, just didn't have the knowledge of faith in it yet.
    If your Marlin is actually a 1940s model it has regular cut rifling.

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    It’s very good; if it was based on the 8x57 case head- it would be very great. If I had one it would pry me away from the 30-30 and 38-55, maybe. I’ve had a Marlin Texan .35 and a Remington 141 and they both shot great but never tried cast. I did try cast in the .358 Win and it was brilliant. For a traditional lever action, I’m going to vote for a JES 35-30 conversion.

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    You are overthinking it unless you want a rifle for both plinking and game. Brass can be an issue for a rifle that will be used a lot, but immaterial in a hunting gun. 100 cases will last a lifetime of hunting. My plinking, fun and close range varmint duties fall to .38/.357 rifles. YMMV

    Saving a couple of grains of powder is immaterial when looking at cast loads for hunting. Nothing magical about the .35 Rem, and it is a fine round. I see no advantages to cast bullets for hunting, but if I had hunt with cast I would look at the .35 Rem, .338 Federal, .358 Win., 375 Win or .38/55.

    Btw, I have a .30/30 I was going to convert to.35./30 but I could never justify it. A lot of money for what?

    My perfect hunting caliber is the .308 with premium jacketed bullets. LOL. Sub MOA, effect range 400 yards, and a cheap Compass rifle that was under $225. 500 jacketed bullets were $150....a lifetime supply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 45-70 Chevroner View Post
    If your Marlin is actually a 1940s model it has regular cut rifling.
    Yep. That was the reason I bought it.

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    I"d say the 30-30 is a great cast shooter ,but the 35 Rem has killed a pile of deer for me with the RCBS 200 gr FN over 2400 powder .

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    I concur the 35 Remington to be an excellent and very efficient cast bullet cartridge, especially for hunting game such as deer and pigs. Perhaps not any better than the 30-30 or other similar cartridges when loaded for the old semi and lever actions it was originally made for. However, when loaded to a reasonable pressure potential [not to be confused with the low SAAMI MAP] in a bolt action rifle having an appropriate twist the 35 Remington really performs as well or better than any of the others. I normally push the 200 gr RCBS 35-200-FN to 2150 fps with 4895 at 100% load density. In the 14" twist Shilen barrel on my M91 Argentine Mauser action the accuracy and terminal effectiveness out to 200 yards rivals anything I've used in other cartridges. A 230 gr cast 35 XCB bullet is driven to 2300+ fps with 1.5 moa accuracy (10 shots @ 100 yards with the aperture sights) but I have not shot any game with it. On the light end for plinking, small game and fun shooting the Lee 356-120-TB (.359 out of the mould) over 5 gr of Bullseye at 1170 fps does the trick as does a 358477 over 3 gr Bullseye at 850 fps.

    The efficiency and accuracy are there in the 35 Rem. Target shows 2 5 shot groups to zero the 200 RCBS load at 100 yards and a 5 shot 200 yard group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    The necks too short and it doesn't have a rim. Far from perfect. Not sure if there is even a perfect cartridge.

    Tim
    What about the 35/30-30 Win. ? Might be close...but you're right , in this world nothing is perfect .
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    Quote Originally Posted by gwpercle View Post
    What about the 35/30-30 Win. ? Might be close...but you're right , in this world nothing is perfect .
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    35/30-30, no factory rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    Yep. That was the reason I bought it.
    I have one that was made in the 1950s and it had cut rifling, I say had, because I sent it back to marlin in 2006 and had them put a 38-55 barrel on it. Marlin had a program for a short time and for $280 they would do the whole job including a new stock, forearm, barrel, and a new bolt to work with the rimmed case and what ever else it needed for the change over. They even sent back to me all my old parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Good Cheer View Post
    Designed this and had it built forty years ago.

    It's my baby, my perfect bottleneck cast round.
    alright, now you have my interest!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    35/30-30, no factory rifles.

    Tim

    i might be cheapo himself, but a 35/30 should be on your list of guns to buy. i luv mine. when i was 13 y.o., my grandfather gave me at christmas a win m94 in 30-30. i can't tell you how many times i shot deer or at targets. i started reloading several years ago(28+ years ago) and my 30-30 went back in the safe and i "decided" that i didn't need it anymore. it was and is good cartridge, but after shooting deer with one shot, i went to an '06 in rem m700 mountain rifle and that started "my decline into handloading."

    the 30-30 brass is everywhere and me being cheap, could use to form a 35/30. somebody better than i can explain "i can use a 35 rem? die to make up my 35/30." i went to ch4d and got 35/30 dies and while i was at it i went to starline brass and bought 250 pcs of 30-30. then i decided, "what the heck?" and got a williams fp peep sight. i'll have to buy my mould, but bull shop makes a 200gr fn gc (rcbs). i should have gone to 245gr saeco fn gc or a 270gr bull shop stomper, but the 35/30 luvs a 200gr.

    i took out 100pcs of 30-30 starline brass and ran them thru the 35/30 die and i trimmed them. i fired them 9 or 10 times(200gr fn gc with 20.0gr of 2400/dacron) and never been trimmed(expect the 1st time) or annealed. now if that ain't cheap, i don't know what is.

    i gave my 30-30(federal, remmies, winnies, pmc....) cases to my dad, savage m340 in 30-30.
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