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Thread: Alliant Black MZ black powder substitute any good?

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    Alliant Black MZ black powder substitute any good?

    I have not gotten into black powder due to a breathing problem but I decided I need to at least try it. I have two nice 43 Mausers and I read that this Alliant Black MZ is not corrosive so I was wondering if it worked as well as the other BP alternatives? I requested info from Alliant Powers about loading my 43 Mauser cartridges and until that information comes I figured I'd ask here if the stuff was OK or not, is it actually non-corrosive and does it create the smoke like the other BP alternatives?

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    well, I would tell you that all BP and substitutes are corrosive if left to their own devices and not tended to. I will say that Alliant Black has been discontinued and is pretty hard to find, but worth the effort. still get some smoke.. less corrosive then most... and plenty fun to shoot. a case full will do ya, and remember a slight compression is good with NO AIR between the powder and Lubed cast boolit.

    Now if you want to get serious about loading them 43's with Black, there is lots to learn, but if you are just wanting to play around with it, then the above info will do.

    have a great time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markopolo View Post
    well, I would tell you that all BP and substitutes are corrosive if left to their own devices and not tended to. I will say that Alliant Black has been discontinued and is pretty hard to find, but worth the effort. still get some smoke.. less corrosive then most... and plenty fun to shoot. a case full will do ya, and remember a slight compression is good with NO AIR between the powder and Lubed cast boolit.

    Now if you want to get serious about loading them 43's with Black, there is lots to learn, but if you are just wanting to play around with it, then the above info will do.

    have a great time.
    I read someplace that it was discontinued but I was wondering why? I still see their Blue MZ 50gr pellets for sale.

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    I'd avoid the subs if at all possible. They tend to be more corrosive and/or abrasive than real BP. I won't use a sub in any of my BP guns.
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    I read someplace that it was discontinued but I was wondering why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy View Post
    Thanks for that -- I forgot there would be Hazmat added and the price us up there but for one jug I think I could live with it.

    Update: I tried to order it and even though it showed in stock it would not let me buy it. I call them and it turns out there was only one container left and it was already claimed. I guess that was the last of the product.

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    Boomer , next choice Black Powder.
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    Hello 22 boomer,

    Alliant did drop the Black MZ a couple years back.
    The American Pioneer Powder is what everyone claimed the Black MZ was the same.
    http://www.americanpioneerpowder.com/products.html
    I've never tried American Pioneer, but do use the Black MZ & like it in my Conversion Revolvers.

    AntiqueSledMan.

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    you really truly do want to use real black powder. there is nothing better than real black powder for all trad muzzleloaders and 19th century cartridge guns. fouling control and cleanup when using black powder couldn't be easier, though too many folks make mountains outta mole hills about it.

    yes, it's impossible to find locally for most of us, but thankfully (so far!) mail ordering is easy.

    yes, there are shipping and hazmat fees. there will be at least a few times a year to find hazmat and/or shipping fees reduced or waved.

    group buys will save a bunch - check with local clubs and orgs. also, primitive events and rendezvous meets will frequently have bp vendors.

    the bottom line is that with a bit of persistence, real black powder can be searched out.

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