Inline FabricationTitan ReloadingLee PrecisionWideners
RotoMetals2ADvertise hereRepackboxMidSouth Shooters Supply

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 22

Thread: Wheel Weights

  1. #1
    Boolit Man trapper44shooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    83

    Wheel Weights

    I have a tire store that is saving their used wheel weights for me would I have to add anything to make them a little harder for shooting round balls in my 44 caliber cap & ball revolver I do see a lot of ones that have "Fe" stamped & these will not work for the yare steel or iron & some of the others have "Zn" marked on them & I know they can't be used I will be getting a little every couple of weeks to a month

  2. #2
    Boolit Master Bazoo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Cecilia, Kentucky
    Posts
    3,712
    You cannot use them for a cap and ball. You need soft lead. Some of the stick on weights are soft. Some are not. It's easy to tell though. There is a sticky, I think in the lead sub category about sorting wheel weights and gives good information on which ones are soft and which are harder.

  3. #3
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Foothills, NC
    Posts
    1,617
    Call around to local scrapyards and see if any have soft lead for sale. Some don't sell to the public, but if you find a good one that does, it might be the only place you ever need to go.

  4. #4
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Foothills, NC
    Posts
    1,617
    Or check swapping and selling for soft lead.

  5. #5
    Boolit Master

    rancher1913's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    plains of colorado
    Posts
    2,506
    coww can be used in a pinch for round balls, but they are harder to load, best thing is to save them and trade for soft lead, everybody wins that way. I have a bunch of soft if you ever want to trade.
    if you are ever being chased by a taxidermist, don't play dead

  6. #6
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    479
    For soft lead, I befriend roofers. Sometimes roof jacks are made of dead soft lead, and they get changed when they re-roof a house. I get my roof jacks for scrap price and an occasional case of "adult beverage".

  7. #7
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    Central VA
    Posts
    3,371
    Quote Originally Posted by trapper44shooter View Post
    I have a tire store that is saving their used wheel weights for me would I have to add anything to make them a little harder for shooting round balls in my 44 caliber cap & ball revolver I do see a lot of ones that have "Fe" stamped & these will not work for the yare steel or iron & some of the others have "Zn" marked on them & I know they can't be used I will be getting a little every couple of weeks to a month
    What part of VA are you in? (I’m in Lynchburg.) If you read through the archives about wheel weight composition, you will see that there is a ton of discussion about the changing %-ages of lead and other metals in the current crop... with more and more zinc and iron specimens and fewer lead ones. the upshot of it is, sorting out the lead based COWWs may still be worthwhile, but they are still too hard for best application in your C&B revolver (or just about any other BP shooting.) If you’re willing to take the time to get good lead alloy wheel weights sorted out of the mix, they have value to them reloaded, so trading them for pure lead from roofing, sheathing, etc, is a possibility.

    Are you close enough to drop by the Lynchburg Gun Show this weekend? If so, drop me a PM and we’ll discuss this all at length.

    Froggie
    "It aint easy being green!"

  8. #8
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    6,184
    Congratulations on finding a steady source of lead!

    To make a brief summary about wheel weights. There are basically 2 general types of wheel weights. Stick on and clip on. Both types are made from several different materials. Steel (FE), Zinc (ZN), Lead and a composite material. You will have to learn to sort them. For our purposes the lead is the only one thats useful to us, as casters. There are some that cast Zinc but that another topic.

    You will want to use stick on weights for your new revolver. Lead stick on weights are soft lead and nearly pure, except for one type that is consistent with clip on weights. This type is painted, has raised letters vs stamped letters and has a little lip around the weight.

    The merits of using wheel weights and the effort of scrounging for them and sorting them have been argued about a lot. Personally, they are my preferred source of lead but my lead vs non lead ratio is holding up well around here. This is not so in many parts of the country.

    Having said all of this, the stickies have a lot of valuable info and are well worth reading.

    You didn't say if you are getting these for free or having to buy them. Either way, you should consider doing something nice for those guys. Maybe a box of donuts early of a morning or something like that.

  9. #9
    Boolit Grand Master fredj338's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    kalif.
    Posts
    6,088
    The sticky weights are generally soft lead & would work fine for round balls. I have maybe 150# of stickies if you want to trade some. Cost you $16 in USPS flat rate shipping for 60#.
    EVERY GOOD SHOOTER NEEDS TO BE A HANDLOADER.
    NRA Cert. Inst. Met. Reloading & Basic Pistol

  10. #10
    Boolit Buddy Tazlaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    Conway, AR
    Posts
    168
    Quote Originally Posted by lightman View Post
    Congratulations on finding a steady source of lead!

    To make a brief summary about wheel weights. There are basically 2 general types of wheel weights. Stick on and clip on. Both types are made from several different materials. Steel (FE), Zinc (ZN), Lead and a composite material. You will have to learn to sort them. For our purposes the lead is the only one thats useful to us, as casters. There are some that cast Zinc but that another topic.

    You will want to use stick on weights for your new revolver. Lead stick on weights are soft lead and nearly pure, except for one type that is consistent with clip on weights. This type is painted, has raised letters vs stamped letters and has a little lip around the weight.

    The merits of using wheel weights and the effort of scrounging for them and sorting them have been argued about a lot. Personally, they are my preferred source of lead but my lead vs non lead ratio is holding up well around here. This is not so in many parts of the country.

    Having said all of this, the stickies have a lot of valuable info and are well worth reading.

    You didn't say if you are getting these for free or having to buy them. Either way, you should consider doing something nice for those guys. Maybe a box of donuts early of a morning or something like that.
    Thanks Lightman, very informative.
    Just knowing enough to do it, is not enough to do it right! -Taz

  11. #11
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    6,184
    Tazlaw, I got the test results back from those pole top pins that you and your dad watched us melt. They were about like clip on weights only they had a few 10ths more tin. They were sure labor intensive to melt though!

  12. #12
    Vendor Sponsor Bantou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    237
    Quote Originally Posted by lightman View Post
    Tazlaw, I got the test results back from those pole top pins that you and your dad watched us melt. They were about like clip on weights only they had a few 10ths more tin. They were sure labor intensive to melt though!
    Iíve wondered about using those several times. How much lead to you pull from them? Do you get better results out of lead heads?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Happiness is a warm .45

  13. #13
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    6,184
    Quote Originally Posted by Bantou View Post
    I’ve wondered about using those several times. How much lead to you pull from them? Do you get better results out of lead heads?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    The best that I could estimate there were about 4 oz per pin. The older ones were a little larger, and would have had a little more lead. I was surprised that they were not soft lead.

    XFR analysis showed them to be;

    PB=97.1%
    SB=2.3%
    SN=.06%

    They were slow to melt due to having minimum contact with the melting pot. We could have cut the threaded part off and speeded things up but we elected to let the propane do the work. Biggin saved these up all year and we ended up with about 280# of lead. If they are readily available and you get paid for getting them, or if you need lead I would say that it was worth it. I think he is going to collect them this year too.

  14. #14
    Vendor Sponsor Bantou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    237
    Iím a lineman so I have pretty ready access to them for free. For that yield Iíll probably just stick with wheel weights for $20 a bucket for now. Thatís good info to have though. If I get in a bind I can always go dumpster diving at work to harvest some.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Happiness is a warm .45

  15. #15
    Boolit Master 44magLeo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Lebanon, NY
    Posts
    746
    You can always harvest them. Bring them home and store them somewhere just in case. Better to have and not need than need and not have.
    Leo

  16. #16
    Vendor Sponsor Bantou's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    237
    Quote Originally Posted by 44magLeo View Post
    You can always harvest them. Bring them home and store them somewhere just in case. Better to have and not need than need and not have.
    Leo
    I could but the take up a significant amount of space unless you have a torch handy to cut the heads off which is a lot of work in its own right.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Happiness is a warm .45

  17. #17
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Posts
    1,396
    Quote Originally Posted by lightman View Post
    ...They were slow to melt due to having minimum contact with the melting pot. We could have cut the threaded part off and speeded things up but we elected to let the propane do the work. Biggin saved these up all year and we ended up with about 280# of lead. If they are readily available and you get paid for getting them, or if you need lead I would say that it was worth it. I think he is going to collect them this year too.
    Would it be possible to start with molten lead already in the pot and just put the pins lead covered end first to melt the lead off?

  18. #18
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    6,184
    Its not good practice to add lead to already molten lead but thats what Biggin did. He wore a leather Blacksmiths apron, a face shield, a heavy long sleeve FR shirt and welding gloves. And he fed them in pretty slow, 3 or 4 in each hand. A few hissed a little but it was pretty uneventful, all told.

    We discussed ways to make this go faster if he choses to save them again this year. I think he is going to cut the threads off as he gets them, usually a few at a time. We had enough to squat a 3/4 ton truck this time. We weighed the cost comparison between propane and saw blades for a chop saw and the propane won this time.

    Trapper44, I apologize. We kind of walked all over your thread. I should have started a separate one.

  19. #19
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Atlanta-ish
    Posts
    248
    So, I was totally confused what you were talking about and went to Google. Are these the threaded insulator mounts I found with the threaded portion made of lead? If so, yeah, that does look like a lot of work, and left over scrap, for a little bit of lead. Y’all are serious.

  20. #20
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    6,184
    Quote Originally Posted by RydForLyf View Post
    So, I was totally confused what you were talking about and went to Google. Are these the threaded insulator mounts I found with the threaded portion made of lead? If so, yeah, that does look like a lot of work, and left over scrap, for a little bit of lead. Y’all are serious.
    Yes, that is them. If I was better with pictures I would post up a few. Its not a common source unless you are in the electric business. You might occasionally run across them at a scrap yard.

    The ones in the Google pictures have polymer threads. The older ones were lead. There are also pole top pins and crossarm pins.
    Last edited by lightman; 03-12-2020 at 07:27 PM.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check