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    Quote Originally Posted by Keithdvm View Post
    Might I ask where you find the heavier recoil springs. Wolf describes their springs as factory replacement and use the same one for the 32 and 380. They do not give the actual spring weights. Perhaps I am missing something on their site.
    Over the years I accumulated an assortment of springs from Wolf, Numrich, Beretta and also from Berone Armeria in Italy, measured the compressive loads myself using a digital handheld spring gauge and substituted the heaviest springs.

    Factory replacement Wolf springs ARE beefier than the OEM factory originals if the guns have seen much use. Compare the free length, wire diameter, number of coils and compressive load in cycling the slide over its full travel.
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    .22 lr is by far more valuable to spec-ops with about 20% more energy and 20% higher velocity, almost silent for squirrel work using a Ruger standard with a 'paste can'.

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    The best I can get from even larger 22 long rifle pistols like a 5.5 inch Ruger Mark 2 falls well short of 32 ACP energy. I myself would put the 32s advantage as around 50 percent in larger pistols and close to double the 22 in 2.7 odd inch barrel lengths.

    Just my own findings from a fair amount of chronographing.

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    Keithdvm, if you are asking about the Beretta 81 then the springs are the same between the 32 and 380. Actually everything except the barrel and mag are the same, M81 to M84. Just get you a new spring for comfort.
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    Outpost75, Thank You for sharing that hard learned information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    The Beretta 81 former Italian municipal police pistols, even though light alloy frame, have a heavy slide and stiff recoil springs, same as in the .380 caliber Model 84, such that it is difficult to rack the slide without cocking the hammer first. These guns were built to shoot the hot CIP-Euro ammo and I see no issues using the Group 2 loads in them. The WW2-era steel frame pistols, Colt M1903, Beretta 1935, CZ27, CZ50, Walther PP also work fine. In my 1914 Colt and Beretta 1935 I did replace the original 14-lb. recoil springs with 16-lb. springs intended for the .380 versions of the same pistols.
    Looking into one of the newer Colt 1903s based on your input; expensive but worth it, IMO.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schwartz View Post
    Looking into one of the newer Colt 1903s based on your input; expensive but worth it, IMO.

    Thanks!
    You might also shop around for a clean original.

    You can get a clean shooter-grade Type III for about half the MSRP of the new repops.

    Lots of them on GunBroker. https://www.gunbroker.com/Semi-Auto-...03&Condition=4
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    I see that. Some pretty attractive pricing on some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Schwartz View Post
    I see that. Some pretty attractive pricing on some of them.
    I am told by people who bought the new repros, that the mags provided are not up to WW2 original Colt standards, and are made by Triple-K. I cannot authenticate from my own experience, but I can tell you that WW2-era Colt production mags which were still being issued during the Vietnam-era are FAR superior to any of the repro mags available now. Unfortunately "real" ones cost $100+ when you can find them.

    I am fortunate because the 1914 Colt Type III I which I inherited came with three original two-tone Colt mags which were issued to a family member who carried it in the ETO during WW2. I got two more WW2 mags still in cosmolene when at NASC Crane, IN in the early 1970s.

    The Beretta 1935 .32 ACP pistols are also very good. I have "several" of those and a good supply of original Beretta mags which are still readily available if you know where to look.
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    I remember seeing a picture of a 32 with a looong barrel and scope mounted. Was that a M35 that got a long barrel and scope? Another top I would like to put together!
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    I'm sort of trying to figure out the .32 ACP's place in the new world. . .

    In the old world, where all the pocket guns were blowback, I've come to like it over the .380. Much like almost all the .40 S&W pistols shoehorn excessive power into a platform engineered for 9mm, many of the blowback .380's started as .32's. The ones I've had the opportunity shot shoot both versions of the same gun - the .32 is by far the more pleasant. Since we are coming to the conclusion that placement and penetration are what get it done, the .32 will suffice - if you load it right.

    In the new world however, we have locked-breech, recoil-operated .380's, which make all the difference in the world to how that round handles. The Glock 42 and Ruger LCP are FAR more comfortable guns to shoot than the heavier .380 Walther PPK or Sig P230. The .380 is also rimless.

    Sooooo. . .maybe we could up the sectional density and penetration of .380 projectiles, or maybe we could come up with a rimless .32 Auto with some ridiculous double stack capacities. . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    I'm sort of trying to figure out the .32 ACP's place in the new world. . .

    In the old world, where all the pocket guns were blowback, I've come to like it over the .380. Much like almost all the .40 S&W pistols shoehorn excessive power into a platform engineered for 9mm, many of the blowback .380's started as .32's. The ones I've had the opportunity shot shoot both versions of the same gun - the .32 is by far the more pleasant. Since we are coming to the conclusion that placement and penetration are what get it done, the .32 will suffice - if you load it right.

    In the new world however, we have locked-breech, recoil-operated .380's, which make all the difference in the world to how that round handles. The Glock 42 and Ruger LCP are FAR more comfortable guns to shoot than the heavier .380 Walther PPK or Sig P230. The .380 is also rimless.

    Sooooo. . .maybe we could up the sectional density and penetration of .380 projectiles, or maybe we could come up with a rimless .32 Auto with some ridiculous double stack capacities. . .
    They have made some .32 ACP pistols with large capacity magazines already too. The Beretta Cheetah 81, 82 or maybe the CZ Scorpion would be examples of it. But as the magazine capacity increases the pistol gets larger too and thus loses its appeal as a small pocket concealed carry gun. A .32 ACP target pistol might be fun, one with a longer barrel, larger grip area and much better sights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rking22 View Post
    I remember seeing a picture of a 32 with a looong barrel and scope mounted. Was that a M35 that got a long barrel and scope? Another top I would like to put together!
    It was a Beretta 70 by John Taylor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    I am told by people who bought the new repros, that the mags provided are not up to WW2 original Colt standards, and are made by Triple-K. I cannot authenticate from my own experience, but I can tell you that WW2-era Colt production mags which were still being issued during the Vietnam-era are FAR superior to any of the repro mags available now. Unfortunately "real" ones cost $100+ when you can find them.

    I am fortunate because the 1914 Colt Type III I which I inherited came with three original two-tone Colt mags which were issued to a family member who carried it in the ETO during WW2. I got two more WW2 mags still in cosmolene when at NASC Crane, IN in the early 1970s.

    The Beretta 1935 .32 ACP pistols are also very good. I have "several" of those and a good supply of original Beretta mags which are still readily available if you know where to look.
    Reckon it is time to "pump the brakes" and do a little more research on the platform before committing. Had no idea about the magazine issue; thanks for the "heads up".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    I'm sort of trying to figure out the .32 ACP's place in the new world. . .

    In the old world, where all the pocket guns were blowback, I've come to like it over the .380. Much like almost all the .40 S&W pistols shoehorn excessive power into a platform engineered for 9mm, many of the blowback .380's started as .32's. The ones I've had the opportunity shot shoot both versions of the same gun - the .32 is by far the more pleasant. Since we are coming to the conclusion that placement and penetration are what get it done, the .32 will suffice - if you load it right.

    In the new world however, we have locked-breech, recoil-operated .380's, which make all the difference in the world to how that round handles. The Glock 42 and Ruger LCP are FAR more comfortable guns to shoot than the heavier .380 Walther PPK or Sig P230. The .380 is also rimless.

    Sooooo. . .maybe we could up the sectional density and penetration of .380 projectiles, or maybe we could come up with a rimless .32 Auto with some ridiculous double stack capacities. . .
    It would be an interesting question to pose to the fellow Outpost mentioned who put his life on the line many times. If he had to carry for self defense in the USA, which caliber and gun would he select and why.

    I am closer to a wanabe warrior than a real one. I read too much and am too analytical. But simple minded at times. If I can handle a more powerful load, why would I use one that is "adequate". I stopped carrying .32's and .380's after I got a Kahr CW in 9mm. It may not be the best choice but as long as I think it is, it at least helps my confidence.

    I am reminded of a story about a guy hunting the Africa many decades ago. He had brought his .30/06 and was told by the PH that he needed at least a .300 H&H to kill whatever he intended to kill. When the guy told him his .30/06 had better ballistics than the anemic factory loads the Brits were using back then in their .300's the PH would not believe him. The PH equated size to power.

    I feel like that PH, expect that I know the 9mm is more powerful. But it looks like the .32 bullet has "tumbling" qualities that make up for its lack of energy. My little pea brain thinks...."Well, what profile 9mm would have the same circuitous route upon hitting flesh?" Wouldn't a tumbling bullet with more energy do more damage and be more lethal? Way above my abilities to determine that...still a good question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    It would be an interesting question to pose to the fellow Outpost mentioned who put his life on the line many times. If he had to carry for self defense in the USA, which caliber and gun would he select and why.

    I am closer to a wanabe warrior than a real one. I read too much and am too analytical. But simple minded at times. If I can handle a more powerful load, why would I use one that is "adequate". I stopped carrying .32's and .380's after I got a Kahr CW in 9mm. It may not be the best choice but as long as I think it is, it at least helps my confidence.

    I am reminded of a story about a guy hunting the Africa many decades ago. He had brought his .30/06 and was told by the PH that he needed at least a .300 H&H to kill whatever he intended to kill. When the guy told him his .30/06 had better ballistics than the anemic factory loads the Brits were using back then in their .300's the PH would not believe him. The PH equated size to power.

    I feel like that PH, expect that I know the 9mm is more powerful. But it looks like the .32 bullet has "tumbling" qualities that make up for its lack of energy. My little pea brain thinks...."Well, what profile 9mm would have the same circuitous route upon hitting flesh?" Wouldn't a tumbling bullet with more energy do more damage and be more lethal? Way above my abilities to determine that...still a good question.
    Depends greatly on which "religion" you choose to subscribe to. The "Orthodox Church of Energy" (which advocates that bigger is better - period) has been loosing members in recent years to "The Holy Quadratic of Placement, Penetration, Blood Loss, and Nerve Damage" (which preaches that bigger is better only if it can be shot as accurately, as fast, hold as many rounds, or can be carried/concealed with equal efficiency).

    More and more I am of the thinking that NO handgun is truly adequate to properly defend yourself with - it's not so much that a .32 grossly inferior to a .45, it's that the .45 may just happen to suck a little less than the .32. Given that ALL of them can penetrate sufficiently to disrupt the Tootsie Roll center of the Tootsiepop with a proper load, and that I'd RATHER make nine holes with one trigger pull on a round of 00 buckshot from a Mossberg, I have come to regard pistol caliber vs. pistol caliber discussions with a bit of a jaundiced eye and think in terms of context of what fight you plan to be in. The FN 1910 that hides in your waistband and lets you sneak around invisibly acquiring K98's one at a time for your buddies is MILES ahead of the 1911 that prints and gets you picked up by the Gestapo.
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    The 32 ACP was a go to caliber in Germany for shooting competitions in the 1920's Most shooters preferred the Ortgies Pistol
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    Concerning recoil comparison between the 32 and 380 a comment. For what it is worth I shot both a Colt 1903 and 1908 recently now that the weather allow for our range to be open. The 1908 I have had for a while and shot a reload using an Accurate Molds 95 grain with a published load of AutoComp. The 1903 is newly acquired and was fired with a factory 71 ball. The 380 has more noticeable recoil but is not anything that would inhibit one. The 32 was much like shooting a 22. Rapid multiple hits would be much easier with the 32 than the 380. I would give the edge in accuracy to the 32 but the 380 was almost as good given the sights and size of the two pistols. At 20 yard both will consistently hit a 5 inch dueling tree type target for me. The 380 will turn the target from side to side, and the 32 will not. It will be interesting when I am able to reload one of the 90 grain loads of Outpost 75 to make the comparison again.

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    I like shooting a .32 acp.
    They are serious firearms that can be a lot of fun to shoot as well.

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    For a true, pocket size firearm I think .32 Auto/7.65 Browning is the ne plus ultra cartridge. I have two Kel-Tecs and can shoot them quite well. I find the .380 really has no advantage in a gun of this size other than ammo being much easier to find.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, .30 WCF, .45-70 Gov't.

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