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Thread: Muzzleloading hunting has officially gone too far!

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    Dimner,
    You are more right than wrong. None of the people I know who ML would have one if they could hunt during ML season with a modern rifle. None use a ML during rifle season. Same with bows. None of the people I know would want to hunt with a bow if a rifle could be used.

    This is in the ML forum and you are getting a subset of hunters. Factor in that these guys want to have a season of their own to justify the investments they have and make them "special". They like the fact there are fewer hunters out there to deal with and are not interested in growing the number of participants.

    States have different priorities. Harvesting is down, number of tags is down, herds are up. They face deer management issues as well economic issues. Most ML'ers will resist any changes that affect their interests and some are concerned about the "purity" of the sport.

    All hunters are not ML'ers so the states have little choice if they want to address their concerns.

    In some states, we have the new straight wall cartridge rules to allow rifles where only shotguns were legal. They did that for a reason.

    In MI, there was (is?) a bill to start rifle season 10 days earlier. Some support it, the traditionalists do not.

    ML'ers will not be immune to changes either. Follow the money.
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    I can see how this offends the traditionalist but the ML season gives me two extra weeks to hunt. I don't wear a coonskin hat nor do I care what brings the meat to the table. If this helps me have a better chance to bring home a deer w/o having the "traditional" mess of a clean up, Why not?

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    Been awhile since I muzzleloader hunted in CO, for that, awhile since I hunted. IIRC though, no pellets, no smokeless, no scopes, no sabots. For a long time, I could only hunt with my TC Hawken, but after many a year and enough pressure, in-lines were legalized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bishopgrandpa View Post
    I can see how this offends the traditionalist but the ML season gives me two extra weeks to hunt. I don't wear a coonskin hat nor do I care what brings the meat to the table. If this helps me have a better chance to bring home a deer w/o having the "traditional" mess of a clean up, Why not?
    If all you are after is meat, why not bow hunt? Here we have a 3 1/2 month long bow season. Many states you can use a crossbow, which is even easier to master than a muzzleloader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    If all you are after is meat, why not bow hunt? Here we have a 3 1/2 month long bow season. Many states you can use a crossbow, which is even easier to master than a muzzleloader.
    "hunting seasons". this is where some states/counties/towns have decided that a crossbow OR airbow is the same thing as a REAL archery bow. the stupidity continues as long as dollar$ are collected by those making the rules.
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    If the projectile is loaded from the muzzle, it's a muzzle loader.

    If the projectile is loaded from the breech, it's a breech loader.

    Unfortunately it flirts with the limits of your preferences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    Wow this is getting pretty far fetched. The laws change yearly in the various states so no hard and fast statements. I am not aware of any states the allow 1859/1863 Sharps breechloader percussion as muzzloaders since the bullet loads from the breech.,,,,,,,.
    It would be legal in Mississippi and Louisiana during "Primitive" season. "including primitive firearms known as in line primitive firearms, and Single shot, breech loading rifles, .35 caliber or larger, having an exposed hammer that use metallic cartridges loaded either with black powder or modern smokeless powder. All of the above may be fitted with magnified scopes." We don't have a "muzzleloader" season anymore. Well, maybe the Sharps would not be allowed because it does not have a metallic cartridge. I doubt any warden would bust you or even look close enough to see you were using a breach loaded paper cartridge.

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    If states need to increase the harvest, increase bag limits and make seasons longer.

    I've never been a fan of inlines. I've never seen the point of pretending you're muzzle loading.
    If you're going to shoot a modern muzzle loader, why not just buy a Handy Rifle or ruger No.1 in say 45-70. Put the empty primed case in the gun, pour a charge of IMR 4198 down the barrel so you're following the rules , followed by a cast bullet. "Whoopie, I'm a muzzle loader!"
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    Well that is NOT muzzle-loading hunting AT ALL! Its just a gimmic to get around all law and make it easier for Non traditional type hunters to get another tag!!!!!!!

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    I don't care for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cas View Post
    If states need to increase the harvest, increase bag limits and make seasons longer.

    I've never been a fan of inlines. I've never seen the point of pretending you're muzzle loading.
    If you're going to shoot a modern muzzle loader, why not just buy a Handy Rifle or ruger No.1 in say 45-70. Put the empty primed case in the gun, pour a charge of IMR 4198 down the barrel so you're following the rules , followed by a cast bullet. "Whoopie, I'm a muzzle loader!"
    Been wanting to try that sort of thing with a 45ACP bolt action for quite some time!

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