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    454 casull reduced loads

    Anyone have good light loads with boolits for 454?(preferably 250-260grs)

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    45 LC works good

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    I use 260 and 320 grain cast bullets with Unique for 1100 fps. Start in the Ruger and T/C section of 45 Colt data in your loading manuals and adjust as needed.

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    I use 250 gr cast bullets over 9 gr of unique for mild loads . . .
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    Thanks. I've only been shooting 45 colt loads(in 454 brass)Anyone get good acuracy with 700x?

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    If you are looking at shooting mouse fart loads then 700x would work about as good as any. Using a 250-260 grain boolit, 6-7 grains would work well and shoot accurately enough for general plinking.

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    I shoot the RCBS 45-270SAA bullet over 14 grains of HS6, my 340 grain WFNPB LBT bullets over the same charge of HS6, or 21 grains of 2400. Brian Pearce did an article for Handloader Magazine on the 454 and he included some nice midrange loads.
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    see if this helps http://www.reloadammo.com/454casull.htm myself i like 27.5gr of H110 under a 300gr boolit out of my Encore Attachment 147493
    thats at 100 yards
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    Update: I,ve finally gotten a chronograph!
    6.6 x dupont 700x with a MBC 255gr swc, cci#400 sm. rifle (454 casull brass) gets me 780fps & an 8sd
    This is a nice target load.Stepping up to 7.1 grns got me to 800fps & a 12sd. This is slower than I expected in the 7.5 inch barrel! I suspect its because my powder is old, or does it have to do with the larger case?
    When I chrono'ed mouse fart loads in my 30-30 with this powder velocities were right where I expected(5.0 grns w/a 155grn LRN at 1020)
    I'm already a bit above max in the 45 colt (but figured I'm ok w/the 454 superredhawk). Guess I'll need to try another powder to get that bullet closer to 1000fps for hunting.( maybe 2400?)
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    2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.

    Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.
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    I would see if you can find some Unique or even Bluedot, something in that burn rate area if you are wanting 1,000 fps. 2400 powder underneith a 250 grainer running at 1000 fps with 454 Casull brass (small rifle primer) is going to leave you quite a bit of unburnt powder; it needs more pressure to burn well. However you will likely still have pretty decent accuracy. If using 2400 powder I would look toward 1,100 fps and things will come together nicely.

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    I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
    (255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DougGuy View Post
    2400 and also LilGun work good for 75% ~ 90% power in .45 Colt Ruger Only loads so it should work for 454.

    Just keep in mind to *never* download W296/H110.
    That's good advice on the WW296/H110. Something to think about on Lil'Gun is that powder is harder to ignite than H110, so I would think it would be even worse to download than H110 relative to ignition.

    Bob Baker doesn't want Lil'Gun shot in the FA 454 as he says it damages the revolver. Might be for the FA but I've never heard of Lil'Gun causing any problems with other revolvers. It does generate a lot more barrel heat than other powders but I'm not sure that will cause a problem to most revolvers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmoline one View Post
    I was thinking of starting at 15 x 2400 and working my way up.
    (255gr lswc- which actually weigh closer to 260)
    15 grains of 2400 powder is too light of a load and will burn poorly. Considering 454 Casull brass, I would start at 18 grains then work up and figure you to be in the 950 fps-possibly 1000 fps area with a 260 grain boolit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ole 5 hole group View Post
    Bob Baker doesn't want Lil'Gun shot in the FA 454 as he says it damages the revolver. Might be for the FA but I've never heard of Lil'Gun causing any problems with other revolvers. It does generate a lot more barrel heat than other powders but I'm not sure that will cause a problem to most revolvers.
    Afaik max loads of LilGun in the 454 can erode the throat pretty easily and although I have not owned a FA and had this happen, I do read that this is a serious problem in these guns. I use LilGun in .45 Colt loads when I want a slightly less than full house load and it works very well. I am sure there is not enough heat generated by this load that I could shoot it as long as I wanted to with no issues in the Ruger Vaquero.

    20.5gr LilGun under the 300gr RF boolit seated in the bottom crimp groove will get 1,000fps from a short barreled Vaquero. You could use this same load in the FA cylinder, I'd probably want to up the charge weight of LilGun to achieve the same velocity in Casull brass. Others have suggested just using .45 Colt brass and loads and although this certainly does work, personally I would rather use the longer Casull brass so the boolits are fully engaged in the cylinder throats. Whole lot better when you do it right.

    The other thing that comes to mind, how slow can you fling this boolit and still have it stable? The load I listed above is very accurate in the Vaquero. I should add that this gun has had the cylinder throats reamed to .4525" and the bore has also been Taylor throated so there is only about 3 7/8" of actual rifled bore left. It's a very good trail gun with these loads.

    Got a .22 .30 .32 .357 .38 .40 .41 .44 .45 .480 or .500 S&W cylinder that needs throats honed? 9mm, 10mm/40S&W, 45 ACP pistol barrel that won't "plunk" your handloads? 480 Ruger or 475 Linebaugh cylinder that needs the "step" reamed to 6° 30min chamfer? Click here to send me a PM You can also find me on Facebook Click Here.

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    You might want to take a look at 4227 as well. It's a slow powder but I like it a lot. I've been using 22 grains in a 45 Colt case in a FA 83 (7.5" barrel) w/45 Colt cylinder and get 1,175 fps - it's very accurate. Unlike 296/H110 you can load 4227 down. The other nice thing about it is it fills the case pretty well. I haven't noticed it being position or temperature sensitive either.

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    I found accuracy with the LEE 320 to get noticeably better once velocity got to around 1,100 fps. Your guns may be different. I wouldn't bet on it though

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    I caution that I have ZERO experience with the 454 Casull, and don't expect to gain any. That said, I make A LOT of 38 Special and 44 Special +P-type loads for my 357 and 44 Magnums in magnum casings--950-1000 FPS--using the following formula......

    Herco powder.......use 38 Special max recipe +10% to equal Special ballistics, then slowly run the weight up until desired velocity is achieved. +12% to +15% is the usual route to 950-1000 FPS with standard weight SWCs in either caliber.
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