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    Looking to draw 45 acp brass into jackets

    I have a c&h 45 die set that I have made some bullets from 40 sw brass. I never really liked the way the base was formed but got in the game to late to take advantage of rce while he had jackets.


    My question is has anyone tried using a 451 lee bullet sizing die to draw a 45 acp case down to use as a 45 cal jacket. I know it need to be smaller than that but in looking for an off the shelf solution for the short term.

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    Richard had a draw set on the shelf for less than $100.00 shipped in mid Dec. Might give him a call. I've tried drawing .40S&W cases to .40 jacket size which is approximately the same reduction using a Lee die. Can be done but takes a whole lot of effort. RCE's set to draw 45acp takes a lot less effort but then .45 cases are a lot thinner too.

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    I will send him an email and see. I wish I would have got on board and bought more stuff before he retired.
    As for noe I was hoping for a quick fix till funds free up or I make one

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    Go to your local plumbing supply or shop and ask for some 1/2" OD copper refrigeration tubing, M or L.

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    They also should have sweat caps for 1/2" OD copper pipe.
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    I have thought about using copper tubing. I'm not setup yet to draw it.

    I also have tried 40sw brass for 45 cal bullets but have never been happy with the base

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    I've been using 45 acp cases to make 458" bullets. If your trying to make bullets for a 45 colt in the range of 300+ grains should be easy. If you want 45 acp bullets you'd be better off with the 40 S&W cases. I use the 40 case to make a nice 280g HP bullet for both 44 mag and 45 colt. Keep poking at it, you'll figure it out.
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    I'm looking to make bullets for the 450 bushmaster mainly

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    I have known about people making jackets from copper tubing for quite a while, but the expense of the tubing seems to be way too high to be practical. The tubing is over $1 per foot. Add I. The dies and itís a lot cheaper to buy bullets. Am I missing something?

    Here are some Corbin jackets that may be available:
    *. J-45-540 ------ 45 cal x .540 len., per 250 -------------------- 54.00
    * J-45-680 ------ 45 cal x .680 len., per 250 -------------------- 54.00
    * J-45-840 ------ 45 cal x .840 len., per 250 -------------------- 58.00
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    Try machining the cartridge rim off the .40 S&W case. This'll leave the flash hole in the base which doesn't hurt a thing. The .40 case is thick enough to swage up to .452 and may yield a base that you'd be more satisfied with.

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    I made a size die that brings 45 autos to .448 diameter.
    If you don't have a lathe, a inexpensive, but time consuming way of making such a die is as simple as a lee bullet size die, .430 diameter, a wooden dowel, the end split with a hacksaw cut, and good ole emery cloth.

    Turn the die by rolling it on a soft surface, like your leg while watching vids.

    Turning the dowel, instead of the die will result in a out of round hole.
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    I'm not familiar with C&H, and I don't have a 450 BM so I'm not sure what weights you want. But when I make 458 bullets (w/ 45acp cases)the draw is fairly easy so I don't know why it cant be done. I've not tried to use lee sizers for the use you are suggesting and I'm not sure of the challenges you face trying that route (more than 1 draw ?) but I still think it can be done. Corbin's site has a ton of info if your willing to read and search a little, and BT Sniper always seems willing to answer questions when asked. Where there is a will, there is a way !
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    Quote Originally Posted by nun2kute View Post
    I'm not familiar with C&H, and I don't have a 450 BM so I'm not sure what weights you want. But when I make 458 bullets (w/ 45acp cases)the draw is fairly easy so I don't know why it cant be done. I've not tried to use lee sizers for the use you are suggesting and I'm not sure of the challenges you face trying that route (more than 1 draw ?) but I still think it can be done. Corbin's site has a ton of info if your willing to read and search a little, and BT Sniper always seems willing to answer questions when asked. Where there is a will, there is a way !
    Yep right about challenges, I get that in one draw using a walnut hill press. And it does take some serious work on the handle.
    Drawing a .45 ACP from >.473 down to .448 would be much easier in two steps on a heavy duty reloading press.

    I'm making .451 diameter. With .458 being your finished size, working a lee.452 die until it sizes brass about .455 makes for much less work than a .429 to .448.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmatchell View Post
    I have a c&h 45 die set that I have made some bullets from 40 sw brass. I never really liked the way the base was formed but got in the game to late to take advantage of rce while he had jackets.


    My question is has anyone tried using a 451 lee bullet sizing die to draw a 45 acp case down to use as a 45 cal jacket. I know it need to be smaller than that but in looking for an off the shelf solution for the short term.
    I have asked Lee for custom diameter sizers. Using a 451 sizer will be problematic. Due to springback, the jacket will probably be more like 0.456!!!

    For 45acp brass to be made into jackets for 451, I'd go with a 0.445 sizer and call it a day...

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    It is just not that hard to make a good (heavy) bullet from 40 S&W brass for .452 bores.

    These are 315 grain JHP's from a 2010 thread here on CB

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    You could go to 350 grains with more lead & a RN punch

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