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    Quote Originally Posted by WinchesterM1 View Post
    In my opinion homosexuality is just a temptation just like porn or drugs, acting on anyone of our temptations is when it becomes a sin, I don’t believe you are born that way. My Brother has had a “roommate” for the past 11 years
    There is a biological component to homosexuality. Some people are born "a little off." Some people may be attracted to their same sex, others may have addiction problems and others might be more prone to anger, etc.

    There are three components to homosexuality: biological, personal experiences (e.g., childhood abuse) and choice. The choice to act is up to the individual.

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    Genesis 1:28 Multiply and replenish the Earth. That isn't happening in a same sex situation.
    I believe some are born with a pre-desposition to murder, steal, rape, fall easily to addictions, lie, steal and cheat. They are only sins if they act on those feelings. I believe that much of homosexual behavior is recruited. Ie, "you felt an attraction for the same sex, do you must act on it, act this way, and shun all else." Added to this is the current feeling in the world that unless you have any sexual relationship close at hand at all times, you really are not living a full life. We live in a messed up time.
    Currently the statistics are that 2.8% of the population is gay. Yet we cannot watch a TV show, movie or read a book that doesn't over state those figures by at least 10%. Too many have their own agenda on this issue.
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    Virtually all the defenders of a 10% gay humanity are also hard core atheists who say all the universe just fell into place by some kind of accident and humans evolved from a mass of swamp goo. They would have us believe we get most of our tendencies through DNA that evolves in time; that's nonsense on it's face. Consider this: If queers can't help what they do because it's in their DNA, how and why do they still exist?

    I mean, it's obvious that if we are all the sum total of inherited DNA and it's obvious they reproduce at a lower rate than others would not that DNA trait would have been slowly lost from the gene pool thousands of years ago? Instead of that damaged DNA strand being lost in time it seems the percentage of victims have run about the same all through history. To me THAT one single fact says no one is made that way! Instead their sexual deviations rise from their minds, not their gonads.

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    The Bible list all kinds of sexual practices that one who seeks to please God should not engage in, some are very openly obvious when someone is involved in them, others not so much. In my mind the greater evil is when(the, or A) church seeks to normalize forbidden sexual behaviour. Homosexual sin must be seen as a sin by the individual in practice of the sin, just as with any other sinful behavior and normalizing it prevents this. I personally know a man who considers himself homosexual, but doesn't practice sexual acts because he said that God is against them. I'd be willing to bet there are men and women living out there as husband and wife who abstain from sex because they don't believe they are allowed to by God. This issue is very similar to churches disallowing a remarried man to participate in worship service activities, fearing they are condoning an unlawful marriage. Can two men live in the same house as best friends, sharing a life together, asexually, and because they "could be" are shunned, what about a man and woman! Heck, they're considered "common law" after a certain amount of time living under one roof in most states, sex or no sex! Is the act a sin, or the possibilty to sin a sin?

    Have churches already "normalized" sins?

    According to a coworker, the smaller UM churches are being pressured by their conference to vote to approve of this abomination, and are fearful of retaliation and losing their property if they resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1hole View Post
    Virtually all the defenders of a 10% gay humanity are also hard core atheists who say all the universe just fell into place by some kind of accident and humans evolved from a mass of swamp goo. They would have us believe we get most of our tendencies through DNA that evolves in time; that's nonsense on it's face. Consider this: If queers can't help what they do because it's in their DNA, how and why do they still exist?

    I mean, it's obvious that if we are all the sum total of inherited DNA and it's obvious they reproduce at a lower rate than others would not that DNA trait would have been slowly lost from the gene pool thousands of years ago? Instead of that damaged DNA strand being lost in time it seems the percentage of victims have run about the same all through history. To me THAT one single fact says no one is made that way! Instead their sexual deviations rise from their minds, not their gonads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post
    There is a biological component to homosexuality. Some people are born "a little off." Some people may be attracted to their same sex, others may have addiction problems and others might be more prone to anger, etc.

    There are three components to homosexuality: biological, personal experiences (e.g., childhood abuse) and choice. The choice to act is up to the individual.
    There are the same three components to many sins, including adultery, obesity, drug/EOTH abuse, etc. We are all biological sinners - driven to it by our biology. It is our responsibility to choose God over biology.
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    Being born a sinner, does not make sin acceptable. We have the choice to sin, and we all choose to sin, or God would not have sent Jesus.

    God may see all sin equally, but man cannot do so. Telling a white lie, is different than stealing, adultery, rape, or murder. Society would collapse if we treated every sin with the same punishment.

    Man establishes boundaries. I believe churches need to establish boundaries to fulfill their role and provide moral direction. Either homosexuality is a sin, or it is not. It seems every passage in the Bible on the subject condemns the act. How a church can accept it and allow its pastors to be immoral is a recipe for disaster. What is next....sexual relations with 16 year olds? 14 year olds? ????

    I am reminded of the phrase, "What would Jesus do?" I doubt He would select them to spread the word of God. Some will argue He did not select any women either. I think I know why, but that is another subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    Being born a sinner, does not make sin acceptable. We have the choice to sin, and we all choose to sin, or God would not have sent Jesus.

    God may see all sin equally, but man cannot do so. Telling a white lie, is different than stealing, adultery, rape, or murder. Society would collapse if we treated every sin with the same punishment.

    Man establishes boundaries. I believe churches need to establish boundaries to fulfill their role and provide moral direction. Either homosexuality is a sin, or it is not. It seems every passage in the Bible on the subject condemns the act. How a church can accept it and allow its pastors to be immoral is a recipe for disaster. What is next....sexual relations with 16 year olds? 14 year olds? ????

    I am reminded of the phrase, "What would Jesus do?" I doubt He would select them to spread the word of God. Some will argue He did not select any women either. I think I know why, but that is another subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne Smith View Post
    There are the same three components to many sins, including adultery, obesity, drug abuse, etc. We are all biological sinners - driven to it by our biology. It is our responsibility to choose God over biology.
    Amen. Mostly. To elaborate, I mean, none of us are helplessly "driven" by our biology.

    Sure, everyone is born with inherited physical features, motor skills and mental predispositions but we are not robots with no self control of ourselves. No one is ruled by inherited predispositions and it's a specious argument to say otherwise.

    Only a Michael Jordan can play basketball as skillfully as he did; that was good. On the other hand, Willy Sutten had a predisposition to rob banks and he was good at it, Jeffery Dahmer had a craving for eating human flesh; Rue Paul loves to dress as a woman, etc., ditto the life of homosexuals such as Shep Smith and Rachael Maddow. But, NO ONE in his right mind should lean back and pontificate; "Oh well, that's the way that they born, they just can't help it so we should respect them for that."

    No, we should not say anything like that because none of us are born helpless wimps with no control over how we live. I have one of each (male/female) in my family circle; both are truly "good" people. I love them and treat them kindly but they both know I (and their parents/family) do not condone the lifestyle they have chosen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1hole View Post
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    Sure, everyone is born with inherited physical features, motor skills and mental predispositions ......
    I get the physical inherited features (color of skin, large framed, small framed, etc.) but you are saying that our brains are what, pre-programmed to some degree that makes us act a certain way?
    Aren't we born in innocence with a "clean slate", aside from the Original Sin, that is supposedly branded on our souls?

    Now, if you are talking about Karma, which I doubt, then mental predisposition would make sense.

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    Rizzo,
    I do not believe humans are born with "innocence" that will stay with them for very long.

    Adam and Eve were born in "innocence" but within a few days broke the single command God ordered them to obey. Every baby will be influence and be exposed to evil as they were. We are not designed to be "good". Although God made us in His image, He did not make us holy. There is an animal aspect that drives us and it is not always good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    Rizzo,
    I do not believe humans are born with "innocence" that will stay with them for very long.

    Adam and Eve were born in "innocence" but within a few days broke the single command God ordered them to obey. Every baby will be influence and be exposed to evil as they were. We are not designed to be "good". Although God made us in His image, He did not make us holy. There is an animal aspect that drives us and it is not always good.
    Who were the parents of Adam & Eve?
    Too much disinformation and grasping at straws in this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hickory View Post
    Who were the parents of Adam & Eve?
    Too much disinformation and grasping at straws in this thread.
    Adam was the son of God (Luke 3:38)

    What is the disinformation and straw-grasping you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post
    Adam was the son of God (Luke 3:38)

    What is the disinformation and straw-grasping you speak of?
    reading all these quotes it sure make me thankful that GOD is judge
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    We need to separate sins and crimes. We need to separate Religion and Secular Society.

    Homosexually is a sin in many religions and a crime in some societies. It is not a crime in most of western civilization. The Methodist Church needs to decide if it is really a true Christian religion or a reformed western religion. Sort of like the split between Reformed Jews and Orthodox Jews.

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    When Iím asked that question I tell them to read 1st Corinthians 6, 9-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by phonejack View Post
    When I’m asked that question I tell them to read 1st Corinthians 6, 9-10
    It would probably be good thing for ALL of US to read the whole chapter!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizzo View Post
    I get the physical inherited features (color of skin, large framed, small framed, etc.) but you are saying that our brains are what, pre-programmed to some degree that makes us act a certain way?
    Aren't we born in innocence with a "clean slate", aside from the Original Sin, that is supposedly branded on our souls?

    Now, if you are talking about Karma, which I doubt, then mental predisposition would make sense.
    No, there is no such thing as a 'clean slate'. Some are born with the genes for schizophrenia, some are born with the genes for alcoholism, some are born with the genes for good skin and some are born with the genes for ... . For example IQ is largely genetic. Your IQ is approximately halfway between the IQ of your parents. Yeah, I believe that Adam and Eve were probably genetically perfect human beings, but we have been falling apart ever since. To a large extent my genetic heritage provides limits within which I can function. The more we learn about the brain and genetic inheritance the more confusing it is. We (science) are at the very beginning of understanding all of this.
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    All of it seems rather simple to me. There is no right way to do a wrong thing....for all of us. Whether it's believed or not, God reigns supreme and will have the final say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    All of it seems rather simple to me. There is no right way to do a wrong thing....for all of us. Whether it's believed or not, God reigns supreme and will have the final say.
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