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    méplat question on Saeco mold

    on another thread I asked the méplat size on the Saeco #433 mold

    well I found it, it is .270

    is this good for hunting?

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    One might reply (with a smile), "depends what you're hunting." I have this mould, casting with a fairly hard alloy with gas check applied. I had acquired a Uberti 1866 clone in .44 Remington Mag calibre, and this bullet shoots quite well. Redding/SAECO marketing it as a "silhouette" bullet prompted my purchase it, and it is (for me) quite repeatably accurate.Click image for larger version. 

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    Looking from the viewpoint of a critter, I would think having ~300 grains of lead coming my way would surely be something to avoid! Frankly -- mostly because my Uberti is too heavy for me to schlep in woods, hunting, I have exclusively used it at target range.
    That said, I wouldn't be too hesitant to employ it on a hunt -- it surely is accurate!
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    merci Geo. a vs aussi

    I choose this bullet with not to wide méplat because it has a better bc than the bullet with a super wide méplat and it would keep better velocity down range

    will be hunting moose

    do you shoot silhouette ?

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    How far is 'downrange'? I'd guess, and it is a guess, that you would have to go over 200yds to see any difference in the two bullets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck4570 View Post
    merci Geo. a vs aussi

    I choose this bullet with not to wide méplat because it has a better bc than the bullet with a super wide méplat and it would keep better velocity down range

    will be hunting moose

    do you shoot silhouette ?
    Bon jour! Back when I was much younger and had two working legs I ventured in the "silhouette" arena for, if I recall correctly, but one summer -- but this was a pistol league. They shot rim-fire and centre-fire, and I had bought an Anschutz Kadett .22 for the rim-fire, and -- like several others not owning a suitable centre-fire handgun, also shot it in that course. Parallel was a few in the (long gun) bench rest crowd -- most had either moved to warmer climes or expired -- so a ram, chicken, pig, and another steel critter (I forgot?) -- were set up on 4" x 4"s along the 100-yard line for those so interested. Bion, one fellow actually did quite well -- better than me, at least -- with his handgun versus my rifle. The good old days....
    Re moose, I allllmost hit one with my truck on a fishing trip some years back, and recall being stunned at its size! It resembled a horse on steroids, indeed being a big one! A close friend who is a Canada hunting guide uses a .22 rimfire for his deer harvest -- "Greg" (his Anglo name) claims it's exclusively about where you place the bullet.
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    probably but on LAX there was a article on heavy for 44 magnum that said that the penetration was better
    due to the small méplat and since a moose is quit larger than deer penetration would be better, yes maybe less destructive but better penetration

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    Going back through Keith's early writings and the evolution of his experimental bullets, suggests that a meplat which is 0.6 of the bullet diameter is satisfactory and a good compromise between "crush" and aerodynamics.

    About 0.7 of the bullet diameter, as used in black powder era bullets in cartridges like the .44-40, is ideal to achieve some expansion with soft alloys at black powder velocities at short range, within 200 yards, that distance being considered "short" rifle range in the infantry sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by georgerkahn View Post
    Bon jour! Back when I was much younger and had two working legs I ventured in the "silhouette" arena for, if I recall correctly, but one summer -- but this was a pistol league. They shot rim-fire and centre-fire, and I had bought an Anschutz Kadett .22 for the rim-fire, and -- like several others not owning a suitable centre-fire handgun, also shot it in that course. Parallel was a few in the (long gun) bench rest crowd -- most had either moved to warmer climes or expired -- so a ram, chicken, pig, and another steel critter (I forgot?) -- were set up on 4" x 4"s along the 100-yard line for those so interested. Bion, one fellow actually did quite well -- better than me, at least -- with his handgun versus my rifle. The good old days....
    Re moose, I allllmost hit one with my truck on a fishing trip some years back, and recall being stunned at its size! It resembled a horse on steroids, indeed being a big one! A close friend who is a Canada hunting guide uses a .22 rimfire for his deer harvest -- "Greg" (his Anglo name) claims it's exclusively about where you place the bullet.
    geo
    at least you can say like Elmer Keith. I WAS THERE.
    I wish there would be a silhouette club around
    I remember a certain Bandahan that shot silhouette at St-Bruno with a contender pistol in 44 magnum

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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