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  • Barra

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  • Bushnell

    6 6.52%
  • Nikon

    10 10.87%
  • Vortex

    18 19.57%
  • Leupold

    42 45.65%
  • Weaver

    6 6.52%
  • Burris

    10 10.87%
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Thread: Rifle scopes, the good, bad and ugly

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    I voted for Burris Because I own several and never a problem. I also have several Leupold's and never any problems. I also have a Zeiss Conquest which is fantestic.
    I bought a Vortex several years ago and it was terrible, gave it away. Perhaps their quality has improved now but I don't need any more scopes.

    Larry

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    I like Leupold for the dollar, and I own Burris, Nikon, Zeiss, and Vortex.

    When it comes to adjusting scopes, an old tip is to go one click past where you want, then go back one click. Helps get the slack out of the gearing. Modern scopes way better now, but when you are cranking like over 10 clicks, I think it still helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Gibson View Post
    Was the load "proven" as accurate in the .308W rifle?

    Many times "upp(ing)" the magnification along with lighted reticles it may give some advantage-" does not until we get used to it, especially higher magnification.

    As to not 'tracking" you don't mention how many shots for group were made between adjustments....were you making adjustments from center of group or chasing the bullet holes?

    "Was sitting and using nylon ammo bag to prop." Ö.might try a more stable position next time, especially with higher power when not used to it.

    Might consider many times a problem is not equipment related but self induced operator error......not criticizing, just saying based on my own experiences in the past.
    Larry, youíre right, donít have any rebuttal against what you said. There is no magic Ammo, scope or gun to compensate for user error. Not trying to blame scope but Iíve been in similar shooting sessions and never had the margins as big as this one!

    No, the Ammo I used was not proven other than the fact that I over estimated the ability of 16.00 a box Ammo!
    Going to take my time after bore sighting next scope. Thanks for advice!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Smale View Post
    toss up between Nikon, leupold, vortex and burris. Its more the price point you pick out of that bunch then one being better then the other. Bushnell are decent too if you get into there 3200 4200 range and away from the cheap ones.
    Thatís about what Iím honing it down to- those 4. If I win lottery Iíll get a Swarovski, but until then I just need a scope that stays tuned to how I set it.


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    I own several of the brands mentioned in the poll,and I will say that I have been pleased with Nikon,Burris,Leupold,and non Chinese Bushnell,but when it comes to buying a scope I usually buy Leupold anymore,but I don't buy more scope than I need .I have been well served by the less expensive Leupolds ,because they satisfy my requirements .I had to send a Philippines built Burris Predator Quest in once because it fogged,and they honored their warranty ,and I have had no issue with it since.

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    I haunt ebay for older Steel tube Weavers and Lyman Tru Centers a well as older Redfield and Kollmorgen scopes .
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    You've been given lots of expensive scope advice, much of it I agree with...BUT, If you've been happy with Bushnell's in the past, I suspect you have a bum scope.

    BUT, before you try to exchange it. Look close at the rings and mount, to make sure everything is tight...and NOT overly tight.
    Another thing is, have you shot this Savage Axis before? or any other Savage Axis? They come with a flimsy plastic stock, that can effect accuracy if you don't have a consistence grip on it shot to shot, the stock flexes different if you hold it different, and it can put pressure on the barrel in a inconsistent fashion when that happens. First thing I did with my Savage Axis, was to replace the stock with a Boyds wood stock.
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    if you want to spend $200+/- use a leupold vx- freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by izzyjoe View Post
    I voted Leupold, but I've had the best luck with Redfield revolution scopes lately. I have been replacing older scopes with them, and I have 4 as of now, and plan to buy a few more when I get the funds. I haven't had one single problem with them, but if I did they are covered under the leupold warranty. Vortex is another I'd like to purchase, cause I've heard very good things about them!
    We have the early Revolution 3x9 and 4x12 on Wife's .250 and my 25-06. Great scopes. I think the Revenge series scopes are imported, though. Nikon will be missed. I'd vote Burris and Leupold. I dont like modern scopes. Sure, the optics might be better, but the big power rings/ objectives/focus ring and blocky looks turn me off. I've had two $40 Bushnell variables fail but I've never seen a $30 4x Sportview fail. I've had a $200 Burris and a $300 Leupold fail. In all four cases the scopes were replaced at no charge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Southgate View Post
    I haunt ebay for older Steel tube Weavers and Lyman Tru Centers a well as older Redfield and Kollmorgen scopes .
    I like the old Colorado Redfields ,especially them old Lo-Pro scopes.I never did care for the big rivets on the bells,but they were some good American glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonB_in_Glencoe View Post
    You've been given lots of expensive scope advice, much of it I agree with...BUT, If you've been happy with Bushnell's in the past, I suspect you have a bum scope.

    BUT, before you try to exchange it. Look close at the rings and mount, to make sure everything is tight...and NOT overly tight.
    Another thing is, have you shot this Savage Axis before? or any other Savage Axis? They come with a flimsy plastic stock, that can effect accuracy if you don't have a consistence grip on it shot to shot, the stock flexes different if you hold it different, and it can put pressure on the barrel in a inconsistent fashion when that happens. First thing I did with my Savage Axis, was to replace the stock with a Boyds wood stock.
    Not doubting it's a flimsy stock and I may just change it. The barrel floats on this one. I have had 2 other Savages in 30-06 and 270 and also a Remington 700 in 30-06 all with Bushnell scopes. Checked rings and no slippage. Shouldn't be too tight as I just hand tightened (snug but not too snug).
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    Thanks for everyone's advice thus far. Very useful information from a lot of very experienced shooters! I value every suggestion, fact, experience etc.
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    my affordable go to scopes are the bushnell elite 3500/4500 depending on what options you like. of course now you have to search for them as they had to change the game again and bring out different models.

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    If a scope doesn't respond to adjustments, it may be at max or min in one or both axis. Shooting it in that condition can, for some designs, shorten the life of the scope.

    Most gunshop and factory scope installs I have seen have the scope pointing a good angle away from the bore axis. They crank in 40 clicks on one axis and 120 clicks in the other, and you're good to go! Too bad if you need to adjust some more in that direction for your load.

    I've noticed it is quite fashionable to piss on Leupold lately. One vendor run board is quite infected with Leupold haters. Some of their stories beggar the imagination. I have had good luck with them, as well as Burris and the Bushnell Elites.
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    Vortex Optics Viper HS Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 4-16x 44mm Side Focus ...


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    Have to buy mostly sight unseen.

    I have had good runs out of fixed power scopes.

    The glass delaminated in a most and leak eventually over time.
    I just got a replacement for my leupy m8x o/a that delaminated after maybe 40 yrs.
    I know it is sad but it never let me down.
    Cheap investment..really
    I opted for a 2-7 rim fire freedom replacement from them.
    Got them to put some turrents on it from the custom shop.

    Haven’t had much time with it yet.

    I think it will get around most things I want to do with it.

    Seems all good at first blush.
    Nice light smallish scope.
    Maybe a bit lumpy ‘n ugly.

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    Even if it falls off the back of your truck in ten years Dave.
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    I don’t know if they are the best.

    But I bought a leupy 1-4x mk4 10 yrs ago and the bloke who reckons I wasted my money has bought at least 3 "just as good"cheaper scopes and probably has paid the same money now for a lesser quality scope.

    I don’t want to bang on about leupy but Any quality scope is worth it’s price.

    I would rather one good scope with qd mounts and swap between several rifles than have several iffy ones at best.

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    Personally, the best deal right now, with the highest quality is the leupold vx-freedom

    Leupold VX-Freedom 3-9x40 Matte Duplex 174180
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    Your Price $199.99

    Price is at Euro Optic website and a bunch more. If you do more searching and goto vendors that have 'click to see price' you can find it for even less. Sometimes $180ish and rarely $160ish, if you wait for sales. I got mine (the tri-moa with a $249 regular price, for $188 shipped)

    Leupold says that VX-Freedom replaces VX-i and VX-ii. Interwebs reports the glass is just as good as the VX-ii.

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    I appreciate this thread. I really don't appreciate the way manufacturers keep coming out with new model names. Makes it hard to buy an inexpensive to moderately priced scope based on reviews because half the time that scope is no longer available. Had my eye on a Hunter Pro Diamond I think it was for a shotgun. $60 bucks for what was reviewed as a pretty good scope. Not variable, so less "fragile" good optics, lot of eye relief. Just the ticket for 100 yard or less slug scope. Discontinued. Now I have to start over.

    Light gathering matters more in hunting than in target use. I just find it harder to use open iron sights any more so a basic scope that allows me to really "see" the target is all that is needed. Holding where it is set, not falling apart under shotgun or full power rifle loads pretty much covers it. 4x or 6x is plenty for most of my uses. But depending on year made, or the specific model it seems like any brand can have winners or losers. At least until you pay a very premium price.

    Does anyone know the site that allowed you to arrange scopes by price so one could zero in on best in a certain price range? Can't seem to find the bookmark for it anymore.
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    I have had very good luck with WEAVER scopes and have several.

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    I also prefer Leupold, it is what I have been using and it holds up really well.
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