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    Here is the real problem. It is God's job to judge not man.
    So what is a good lie or what is a bad lie? God judges not man
    God will forgive all lies if you ask for forgiveness

    Do not judge
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    Sometimes a lie is the least evil of two options. You would understand this better if your wife ever asks if her new dress makes her butt look to big
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    Here is the real problem. It is God's job to judge not man.
    So what is a good lie or what is a bad lie? God judges not man
    God will forgive all lies if you ask for forgiveness

    Do not judge
    Are you suggesting that we should not judge the difference between what is right or wrong?

    The Bible tells us we are to do this and, in certain circumstances, confront other believers when their behavior is sinful.

    We cannot eliminate evil in our own lives or help others if we don't know what is a sin and what is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowwolfe View Post
    Sometimes a lie is the least evil of two options. You would understand this better if your wife ever asks if her new dress makes her butt look to big
    you can get around that without a lie, but you must be very careful in how you choose your words, or suffer the consequences. LOL or be blunt, and run like the wind.............................

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    Matthew 7:1-6 New International Version (NIV)
    Judging Others
    7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    Matthew 7:1-6 New International Version (NIV)
    Judging Others
    7 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

    3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

    6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.
    What is the point you are making?

    In Matthew chapter 7, Jesus want us to help our brother get rid of that "speck of sawdust." That speck is harmful, painful and should be removed. Therefore, we have to know what we are looking at. That is where being able to identify a sin or potential stumbling block is essential.

    The danger is looking down on our brother (or worse) and that "judgement" becomes a plank that renders us unhelpful and unloving.

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    when a person lies it always is against god. god is holy , that means he is totally separate from anything in the universe and he cannot sin and all sin has to be dealt with. and the only one that can forgive sin is god himself. that is why we need a savior and that can only be jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    I am one of those Christians that trusts God to have common sense. All “sins” are not equal.

    His creation has feelings. Telling the absolute truth can hurt people for little reason. White lies that do not harm others is acceptable and not a sin.

    Do you tell your grandchild there is no Santa Clause, Tooth Fairy or Easter Bunny?
    don, do you know the origin of where the saying "little white lie"comes from?

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    When is a lie a sin

    Quote Originally Posted by a danl View Post
    don, do you know the origin of where the saying "little white lie"comes from?
    A Valley girl in Harlem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    A Valley girl in Harlem?

    Now That is funny!!!

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    Ultimately, I'm with DCP, but I suspect that the Lord makes allowances at times. Say you're captured and tortured for information on where your forces are located. And you lie about the location. I think that would likely be unpunished. But all other lies, except for the very explainable and understandable and "necessary" ones - well, they're just plain lies, like all the rest. After all, what would our lives be like if we couldn't trust each other's word? I've known businessmen who did all their business on a handshake basis, without contracts of any kind. But their reputations were such that anything they promised, was faithfully executed, and their good will sufficient to save the one requesting the work money, if possible. People who contract out jobs tend strongly to truse ONLY those who consistently and faithfully deliver what they want. And those contractors who do this, never seem to have trouble finding work. Instead, they often if not usually find themselves turning down jobs due to the reputations of some who seek their services, or who try to take advantage of them and their good will by simply being "hard to work for." Truth is a VERY underestimated thing!

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    So you make a case that "intent" is more important than the lie? IE, to save the lives of your comrades.

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    All you need to understand is God knows what you did and why. God will be the judge.
    Words are weapons sharper than knives - INXS

    The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton

    The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides

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    Thunder, no, that's not what I was saying at all. All I'm saying is that a lie is a lie, but that I personally believe that a lie, such as one intended and obviously aimed at saving his fellow combatants' lives, will not be treated the same way by our Lord, as one told for personal gain or pointless political correctness, or any other reason. God even makes exceptions even in the laws of physics, such as the parting of the Red Sea, and other miracles. Why should we believe He doesn't make exceptions, however rare, with regard to lies as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd N. View Post
    Now That is funny!!!
    but that's wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackwater View Post
    Thunder, no, that's not what I was saying at all. All I'm saying is that a lie is a lie, but that I personally believe that a lie, such as one intended and obviously aimed at saving his fellow combatants' lives, will not be treated the same way by our Lord, as one told for personal gain or pointless political correctness, or any other reason. God even makes exceptions even in the laws of physics, such as the parting of the Red Sea, and other miracles. Why should we believe He doesn't make exceptions, however rare, with regard to lies as well?
    I am not trying to single you out here. But, you say you not claiming that "intent" is more important than the lie, and then say a lie "intended" for good is probably OK with God?

    I don't understand the hard line stance against all lies by the posters in this thread. The Bible (see posts 26 and 34) and common sense (examples throughout the thread) suggest lies are sometimes quite necessary and not sinful.

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    Why are folk trying to say lying is ok. If it a good lie still all lies are sins. That God will judge
    There is exceptions even with the 10 commandments
    Thou shall not kill but we kill during war or protecting are family
    Thou shall not steal some steal food to eat.
    I really could go on and on, go on and on
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    One does not have to be a theologian to discover how God feels about lying. All one needs is a concordance and one will find an abundance of verses where God condemns lying. Here is a small sample.

    “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” (Exodus 20:16).

    “You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another” (Leviticus 19:11).

    “You shall destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man” (Psalms 5:6).

    “Let the lying lips be put to silence, Which speak insolent things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous” (Psalms 31:18).

    “The wicked are estranged from the womb; They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies” (Psalms 58:3).

    “He who works deceit shall not dwell within my house; he who tells lies shall not continue in my presence” (Psalms 101:7).

    “Deliver my soul, oh LORD, from lying lips And from a deceitful tongue” (Psalms 120:2).

    “Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD, But those who deal truthfully are his delight” (Proverbs 12:22).

    “A faithful witness does not lie, But a false witness will utter lies” (Proverbs 14:5).

    “A true witness delivers souls, But a deceitful witness speaks lies” (Proverbs 14:25).

    “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who speaks lies shall perish” (Proverbs 19:9).

    “Getting treasures by a lying tongue Is the fleeting fantasy of those who seek death” (Proverbs 21:6).

    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it” (John 8:44).

    “Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds” (Colossians 3:9).

    “And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire by hell” (James 3:6).

    “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” Revelation 21:8).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    Why are folk trying to say lying is ok. If it a good lie still all lies are sins. That God will judge
    There is exceptions even with the 10 commandments
    Thou shall not kill but we kill during war or protecting are family
    Thou shall not steal some steal food to eat.
    I really could go on and on, go on and on
    You see an exception for killing in self defense and war, but you don't see an exception for lying to protect a human life? That doesn't make any sense at all.

    When it comes to God's directions on how we live (not the symbolic aspects of the Law), every single one makes sense from a logical stand point. It is easy to understand why God wants us to behave certain ways. To claim prohibitions against lying include untruths to protect people does not pass the "smell test." How is disclosing information to an evil person that will get someone killed "loving your neighbor?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    One does not have to be a theologian to discover how God feels about lying. All one needs is a concordance and one will find an abundance of verses where God condemns lying. Here is a small sample.
    You have ignored the verses where God does not condemn lying. Instead he rewarded or directed it. (see posts 26 and 34).

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