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Thread: .458 Winchester Magnum is Ohio deer legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robbyPGP2014 View Post
    I believe .458 WINMag is no longer cataloged in the#1 Tropical,because I have 3 people trying to get me to price mine.It is offered in.458 Lott, or it was earlier in the year.It can be very pleasant to shoot and accurate.Mine will cloverleaf 3 shots @100 yds with 5744 & different BP loads.It surprised me.
    I have a take off barrel from a number1 in 458 WM. It was the tropical.

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    Gonna sell it??

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    They work fine for deer, load it down you don't need 500 grains going 2100 fps unless you want to line em up 5 deep and save lead and powder. The 340 Lee PC at about 1400 is more than enough and fun to shoot out of an 8.8 lb 458.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    Now I want to go out and buy a Ruger #1 Tropical. My .458 is the size and weight of an antitank rifle, no good for hunting.
    My Ruger No. 1H 458 Win Mag weighs 10-1/2 pounds with factory sights. My Ruger No. 1H 375 H&H weighs 9-1/2 pounds.

    Paul Mathews, in his book Forty Years With The 45/70 said his 458 Win Mag was the best 45/70 he ever owned.

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    The 458 lott would also be ohio deer legal. The 45-120 and 50-140 as well several African big game rim cartridge are ohio deer legal as well.

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    SWheeler that's a nice .458 Mauser.

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    Thank you, haven't got around to jeweling the bolt yet, someday. I like that it weights .4 lb less than my M70 Winchester in 264, and at that it's still heavy to carry all day hunting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockrat View Post
    Gonna sell it??
    I will dig it out tomorrow but sure why not.

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    The people that write game laws don't seem to know what they are talking about everywhere. Here in Wyoming it's legal to hunt elk with a 38 special but illegal to hunt anything with a 10mm because they based the law on over all length.

    458 win mag would be an excellent cast bullet hunting rifle go from sub Sonic heavies to hold on to your teeth heavies.
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    My .458. Weighs just shy of 13 pounds and is proportionally large in the stock. Way too awkward to hunt with, but it is a lot of fun to shoot. I need to get some better kind of sighting system on it.

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    My trusty Ruger M77 tang safety 458WM and the loaded Lee 450gn plain based CB gets it done on deer. Pushed with SR4759 to 1750fps it is still pleasant to shoot and accuracy past 200 yards is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    Not necessarily overkill. If you cast and reload, a .458 can become a nice, mild .45-70 very, very easily. Some kind of a 300ish grain flat nosed .45-70 bullet and say 35 grains of 5744. It'll flatten Bambi and not kick anymore than a .308 or similar.

    Personally, I think this is a much better idea than a pistol caliber lever gun or something silly like that .350 Legend.

    Now I want to go out and buy a Ruger #1 Tropical. My .458 is the size and weight of an antitank rifle, no good for hunting.
    I'm on that trail myself with my 416 Ruger and reduced cast loads.
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    My trusty Ruger M77 tang safety 458WM and the loaded Lee 450gn plain based CB gets it done on deer. Pushed with SR4759 to 1750fps it is still pleasant to shoot and accuracy past 200 yards is good.
    do you get leading with your plain base bullet at 1750 fps
    what is your alloy please
    I have a 450 Rigby and would love to shoot my 500 gr at that velocity without leading

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    My hunting buddy used a .458 Lott this year. It worked just fine on Ohio whitetails
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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck4570 View Post
    do you get leading with your plain base bullet at 1750 fps
    what is your alloy please
    I have a 450 Rigby and would love to shoot my 500 gr at that velocity without leading
    It looks like he's powder coating, but I'm curious too. Plain based worked great for me in the .45-70 and .458 but I never pushed them that fast.

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    I'm also I interested as I'm specifically going to keep the velocity down for recoil on my cast
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    Powder coated or not, you could still push those plain based bullets a lot slower than that and still have a very effective round for realistic deer hunting ranges. I tend to hunt from ambush positions, either tree stands or hidden on the ground and that means my shots are usually woods distances at unalarmed deer. Even weak Trapdoor ballistics worked fine for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    It looks like he's powder coating, but I'm curious too. Plain based worked great for me in the .45-70 and .458 but I never pushed them that fast.
    I have a 45 Colt 20" Carbine which can push some pretty amazing velocity. Lee 452-255 RF over a charge of I4227 was getting me almost 2000 fps. Plain based, Powder Coated, very accurate. I have also launched a NOE 225-62 RN plain based and designed just for PC I get an average of 2250 fps from a Mini 14 and a few AR 15 rifles with 16" barrels. I have an H-Bar 24" single shot, and the same loads are yielding 2450 fps.

    All loads mentioned above were with ACWW/range lead at 50/50. In all fairness, the .223 loads would probably benefit from a little harder alloy. I am tempted to get some Hard Ball lead and some Linotype and see what can be done. Right now, I get an 1" to 1 1/4" at 100 yds, but would like to see if I can tighten that up. BTW, the 45 Colt Carbine is a hoot to shoot a dead soft lead Round Ball over a light charge of Bullseye at 900 fps. Quiet like a .22 lr, hits like a hammer. No leading, didn't even lube the ball, just loaded it knowing I was only testing 5. I have 20 lbs of the RBs in a container, now I just need to PC some and have them around for grins and giggles.
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