Lil CVA Revolver disassembly assistiance, please

[TCLouis]

Several years ago someone I know gave me a CVA Percussion revolver.
It came wrapped up in an old shirt so there is more to the gift.
I think all the parts except the nipples are there.


It is 44-45 caliber solid brass frame.
The cylinder is removed so I know at some time the had the cylinder pin out.
It is apparently installed from the rear, but is not threaded in the rear lie some models.
The pin has a flat which leads me to believer the pin is threaded and had to be the front that is threaded.
Some less than gentle attempts to turn the pin have not been successful.
Only markings are CVA stamped on the solid brass frame and made in Spain on the underside of the octagonal barrel.
So far my interweb searches have not even turned up a gun like it.

I know the pin has to come out because the cylinder was one of the pieces laying loose in the shirt.

Not worth the time I have spent so far, but now it is the fact that I refuse to be stopped in getting it apart then operational again.
Someone out there has the answers, I'm sure!

For me posting a pic may be harder that getting eht pin out!

[Battis]

Can you post a pic of the gun?

[Pressman]

Brass frame and octagon barrel sounds like a Colt Navy. The cylinder pin is not removable. Yes, we need pictures.

[mazo kid]

There should be a small pin from the top of the frame through the threaded arbor pin. You will have to look closely for it. I have removed that pin by drilling it out with a small bit. Before re-installing the arbor, tap the previously drilled hole for a set screw to hold the arbor.

[swheeler]

base pin-base pin

I have a brass frame Pietta that got stretched and loose, after a years waiting I got a new frame and the base pin is part of the frame. IIRC the base pin is "pinned" but it is a wedge affair driven or pressed and is parrallel to the base pin, not cross ways. Not positive but pretty sure that's the way it was. It's been maybe 20 years so clear as mud in my mind??????

Edit; cock the hammer fully to the rear, clean the bottom of the channel with some steel wool, see the pin inline with the base pin- parallel isn't it.

[swheeler]

Several ears ago someone I know gave me a CVA Percussion revolver.
It came wrapped up in an old shirt so there is more to the gift.
I think all the parts except the nipples are there

It is 44-45 caliber solid brass frame.
The cylinder is removed so I know at some time the had the cylinder pin out.
It is apparently installed from the rear, but is not threaded in the rear lie some models.
The pin has a flat which leads me to believer the pin is threaded and had to be the front that is threaded.
Some less than gentle attempts to turn the pin have not been successful.
Only markings are CVA stamped on the solid brass frame and made in Spain on the underside of the octagonal barrel.
So far my interweb searches have not even turned up a gun like it.

Not worth the time I have spent so far, but now it is the fact that I refuse to be stopped in getting it apart then operational again.
Someone out there has the answers, I'm sure!

TCL have you owned or shot other single action cap and ball revolvers? What you say here makes me think you are missing something very basic?? The base pin STAYS IN THE FRAME, the cylinder slides onto the base pin, the barrel fits onto the 2 dowels on the front of the lower frame, the wedge pin holds the barrel on.

I guess you could have some kind of 73 sa clone???

[swheeler]

TC I just took the cylinder out of my Pietta and snapped a picture for you, you see how it works, does this help?















Scot

[bob208]

that is a 60 army. do not remove the base pin there is no need to do that. the cylinder slips on the front. then the barrel the wedge goes in the slot in the base pin. it should go together by hand no tools needed.

[swheeler]

That's not his revolver, I was trying to help him, you know a picture worth a thousand words! You need to read from the start, read the OP by TC , read the post directly above the picture.
This is happening more and more here, read the thread, and if you don't have time to read it from beginning at least "skim" it so you actually know what OP was about.

[swheeler]

Maybe you have something like this but in the 44 cal you say? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdOnZ2wQ-B8

WE NEED A PICTURE OF IT!

[TCLouis]

It is a solid brass frame, not unlike current Single actions.
Pin must come out, because the cylinder is one of the parts that was wrapped up in the shirt when it was given to me.
Posting a picture (for me) is likely harder than getting the pin out.

Gonna look to see if the base pin is pinned in in some manner though the original owner got thebase pin out and cylinder removed some way.
I will capture some pics tomorrow and see if I can figure out how to post them!

[Moleman-]

1858 Remington? Made them in brass frame and steel. Disassembly is the same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui5uXl33n8g

If it looks like a 1873 Colt but is percussion push on the spring loaded button in front of the cylinder on the side of the frame and pull the cylinder pin out of the front. Those usually have a round barrel though.

[TCLouis]

Frame is somewhat like that, but trigger guard is cast as part of the frame.
The previous sentence has been proven to be wrong upon reexamination by me.
Nothing simple like a pin to push for the base pin to be removed.
I have had enough experience with single actions t make that a non issue.

I can see the picture is going to have to be a beginning for "us" to get anywhere.

Everything is out of the frame . . .EXCEPT
The
barrel
base pin
that piece that is in front of the base pin (steel) where the release pin might normally be.

[Eddie Southgate]

If its the Remington or Whitney, release the loading lever and pull it down as you would if seating a ball . All you have to do then is grab the triangular ( roughly so ) end of the cylinder pin and pull it out . May stick if it was never greased but it should come forward without too much effort . Just pull it out enough to allow the cylinder to go in the frame . You need to half cock the gun to install the cylinder . Once it is in wiggle the pin back in till the head touches the frame and relatch the loading lever . Does it look like this one ?

Eddie

[mazo kid]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about terminology here. The arbor is the "pin" that the cylinder revolves on. The cylinder simply slides onto that. If the cylinder is loose from the frame, then why would you want to remove the arbor? Slide the cylinder onto the arbor, put the barrel assembly onto the front of the frame, push the wedge into the slot to hold everything together. That's it, unless I am missing something.

[swheeler]

I think you are missing something kid? From what TCL is describing to me sounds like a Spiller & Burr(Whitney) revolver that has had the cylinder removed, then the loading lever and base pin put back in the frame without the cylinder installed. I put up a link for him to watch on the S&B because google search it looks like CVA marketed 1860,1858 and the S&B types, doesn't appear he has first two? Did I say we need a picture!

[swheeler]

TC, Look there are some nice close ups here, is this it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVyPTdHcCDI

[swheeler]

By searching the web it looks like CVA sold revolvers made by Pietta(post 2000) ASM(pre 2000) models ranged from 1858 Remington clones(you.ve already said not one of those) to open top Colt clones(not one of those either) plus one "odd ball" revolver called the Spillar and Burr........ this must be it!

[Battis]

The Spiller and Burr is a brass framed Whitney copy.
Spiller & Burr over original Whitney (both .36).
A pic of the OP's gun would really help.

[swheeler]

The Spiller and Burr is a brass framed Whitney copy.
Spiller & Burr over original Whitney (both .36).
A pic of the OP's gun would really help.

Plus TC says 44-45 cal and trigger guard one piece with frame??? who did that