I have a Thompson center 50 Cal omega that I received the first year they came out. Years ago I load tested it and the best groups game from three pellets of triple seven along with a 300 Grain Thompson Center shockwave bullet. It will put three shots on the same tattered hole at 100 yards. I bought a Nikon Monarch 2 1/2 x 10 with a BDC rectical The first year they produced them and mounted it up. I had to call Nikon to ask them what the drops were when turned all the way up the 10 power since there was no on line download or program yet other than paper directions include with it to tell me how the drops worked. Well I guessed from what they told me and sighted in my gun three and three-quarter inches high at 100 yards. The rest of the circles were perfect dead center at 200, 250, 300, and 350 yards when I tested it. I tried a three shot group at each of these off my bench. The 200 yard group was one and five eights inch, The 250 and 300 yard shot group were both 4 inches, and the 350 it opened up to a 12 inch group. I’ve shot almost a dozen deer with this load and all do the same... Run like they haven’t been hit and travel probably 50 to 80 yards and drop. I even drilled one square in the shoulder one year which broke the front leg on entry and exited the other side and the deer still went a good 45 yards on three legs before it fell over. I’m guessing it is just too hard of a bullet and doesn’t expand and not a lot of kinetic energy transfer. I’m guessing my load is around 1950 ft./s. I got the idea the other day to try some of my group buy 450 bushmaster boolits I casted up using a sabot from the shockwaves and the same three pellets of triple 7. My boolits weigh 263 grains and i PC’d them with clear because I was planning on shooting them out of my rifle. I did not gas check them but did size them to .452. My alloy is 50% clip on wheel weights, 50% pure with 2% pewter added to the mix. The boolit seems pretty snug in the sabot. I guess I’ll have to take it out to the range and see how it groups. I would guess this will at least put a pretty big exit in a deer if it runs vs a bullet diameter exit hole with the shock waves. Has anybody tried loading cast bullets with sabots in muzzleloaders?... I’m sure many people here have...I am just kind of curious with the results and how the accuracy is. The shockwave seem to do OK and are extremely accurate but sometimes I get very little blood trails because the bullets don’t open up but they do always exit. The only time I dropped a deer with it was back boned and then I had to finish it off with another round which is still laid there for a couple minutes after a heart and lung shot to expire because the bullet never expanded again. I was just looking for something that might give me a little better blood trail or a little quicker dispatch and wondering if my soft cast hollow point might be the answer.