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    Best mold for heavy 45 LC rifle load

    I have a 16 inch barreled Rossi M92 clone And I am looking for information on the heavier cast bullets that will function in this rifle. I have a LEE mold that makes a 255 gr, RF style bullet but it seems to be a pretty short bullet design though nose shape is acceptable. The rifle will feed Keith style bullets. Would like a bullet in the 290 to 320 grain weight range. Prefer a flat based design.

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    The lee 452-300RF has a somewhat bigger meplat than the 255. Mine casts at 310 gr. It is a gas check design.
    It won’t stabilize in my Ruger new Vaquero. I can’t/don’t push it fast enough. With a faster twist or pushed faster it would be a real thumper.
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    I tried a 300gr boolit in marlin rifle, it shot well but was no better than the 255 gr that I normally shoot. The 255 was flatter shooting making 200 yd hits on steel easier.

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    Elmer Keith years ago used .45-90 300gr bullets sized down in his .45 Colt. I think he was using black powder. It might work for a modern steel rifle?
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    The heavier you go the more spin it needs to stabilize. If you have a 1:38 twist, a 300 has to be shoved pretty good to get it accurate enough at 100yds for hunting.
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    Marlin CB 24" barrel 1:38 twist, NOE 454-285 SWC load VV N110 22gr around 1730fps at muzzle, makes round holes inside 4-5"groups piipsight target standing at 150 meters/164yds. Me likes.

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    The Rossi has a 1 in 30 twist. My scheme is to put together a cheap shootemintheass load for feral hogs. Distances are usually well within 50 yards. My property is over run with them and I am running traps, hunting them at night and even see them in the daylight mostly when checking traps. I try to sneak up on them but a lot of times they are running and just as I get my sights on them they are dissapearing into the brush. I want to be able to take those shots and have a good enough blood trail to find them. Of course I also want to break every bone the bullet hits also. Would the 255 grain bullets do this if cast hard? The 280 grain mold made by NOE seems like a good one.

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    I have the same and my LEE 454-300 RD @ 300g shoots just fine!!

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    I want that bullet in plainbase form!

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    I cast those NOe boolits from 1:16 tin/lead, pan lubed with my own lube mix beeswax coconut grease and candle. No leading.

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    Are you using gas checks CW? Oddly enough I found 400 or so 270 gr. Keith SWC in a box I have been keeping on a shelf for years, must have cast them in the 70's. Going to start with 13.0 grains of Blue dot. My guestimate chronograph figures I will be getting around 1300 fps?

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    I use a GC if the bullet. Alls for one. Its not needed but I use it.

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    The Lee #452-255-RF shoot great in my Marlin Cowboy 24", pushing it over max charges of Ruger loads for the old #454190. Which is also a Great Bullet. I favor 2400 for Rifle Loads that hit hard. The longer bbl gives time to completely burn all the 2400.
    Tried the Saeco #454 300gr SWC, but it didn't give me the accuracy I wanted. One of the few molds I've ever sold. But no Casull anymore, so didn't really need the mold.

    If you trim all your cases to minimum when you start, you'll never have to do it again. And you'll get a very consistent roll crimp, which I've found to really increase accuracy in a Pistol-Caliber Lever Rifle.
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    Another mould to consider is RCBS 45-270-SAA. Cast of 16:1 mine drop about 282 gr. I am using Marlin Cowboy with 24" brl. Should get similar results as the above mentioned NOE mould. JW

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    rickT300, I do not shoot a 45 colt pistol or rifle. I do shoot and have harvested a lot of deer with a smooth sided projectile very similar to the LEE 452-255 RF. In Smokeless muzzle loaders I and my family shoot my hard cast .452 ( water dropped Boolits ) in sabots. from smokeless and and other ML rifles using sabots . I have 3 smooth sided molds for sabot shooting. Verel Smith of LBT made one of my molds. he recommended Hard cast and 1500 FPS muzzle velocity to harvest any North American game. It has been my experience that his advice is spot on. Water drop frosted boolitz from your LEE mold and lube and size for your rifle, Load them for 1500 to 1750 FPS and they will break bones, leave a great wound channel to bleed and or shoot length wise of a hog with no problem.

    Hard cast and let the meplat do its thing creating tissue spray as it passes threw.

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    Unexpected good results from old cast bullets. The ones I have been shelving since the 70's, the Lyman Keith 270 gr. bullet. I really didn't have much hope for them as they were a bit beat up (some of them anyway) Loaded the first 6 on top of 14 grains of Blue Dot and they shot just fine but there was a trace of leading near the muzzle about an inch in so I dropped my powder charge to 13 grains and loaded 6 more. before I fired these I shot a jacketed bullet and it wiped all but the merest traces of lead out. I shot four of them into 1 3/4 inches at 75 yards! Having two loaded rounds left and a stockpile of filled water jugs for bullet testing I lined four gallon milk jugs full of water up spaced an inch apart, went back to 75 yards and hit the front one just over the tag. The bullet split all four jugs nicely and went through the 3/4 inch plywood used to hold my targets with, grooved 7 inches of mud before deflecting upward into the berm! I don't think 5 jugs would have stopped the bullet. Think I will pick through the bullets and use the prettiest ones for hunting, I didn't do this for my initial testing. Previously I had decided to use the 240 gr. Sierra HP because I had them. The water jug test with them was not as impressive as that bullet stopped in the 4th jug and didn't even split the third. These were loaded on top of 24.0 grains of IMR 4227 which sure left a lot of unburnt powder in the bore.

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    If your getting groups like that, you might consider sending one of those bullets to Tom at Accurate Molds and have him duplicate it. His molds are excellent
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    Well I admit to having a 2.5 power scope on the rifle in a scout style and these bullets were made by a mold I owned long ago but gave away when I joined the Navy. I am really considering not getting fully back into casting just yet. I have to find some tin somewhere. Or I could just order some from a casting outfit and not worry about it. And truthfully I expected to get a cast bullet to shoot this well. Years ago when I did a lot of casting bullets I could get very tight groups from 30-06, 303 British and 30-30 military and Thompson Center barrels. Comparable to jacketed bullets. One of my 30-06 rifles would not shoot as well with jacketed as it would with cast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho Mule View Post
    Another mould to consider is RCBS 45-270-SAA. Cast of 16:1 mine drop about 282 gr. I am using Marlin Cowboy with 24" brl. Should get similar results as the above mentioned NOE mould. JW
    +1 but use h110

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