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Thread: .35 WSL model 1905

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    .35 WSL model 1905

    Does anyone have experience making ammo for this? A friend has lent me his M1905 to play with. I have 18 empty cases. I have bullet moulds for 200 and 180 gr. gas check design bullets. I have ordered a .351 sizing die from Lee Precision Engineering. I have looked up the info in Cartridges of the World. I would like to make some cases, if it doesn't involve lathe work, since I don't have a lathe.
    I don't agree with remarks that the gun is not adequate for deer, since it shoots a 180 gr. at 1400 fps, essentially the same as the .44-40 which served for many years.
    "You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions, now quiet, will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal." Robert Toombs, Democrat of Georgia, warning of the results of the imminent attack of the Confederacy upon Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor, 1861

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    I have a .35 SL. It was always called Grammas gun as she shot a deer out of her kitchen with it about a hundred years ago. Brass is easy to make from 38 special on a small lathe but you could improvise spinning 38 special cases with a drill. I use military cases as they are a little thicker and do cut a extractor grove. Many have just turned down the rim and omitted the extractor grove and gotten by just fine. Rim and extractor are so close to .38 super you can use that shell holder as your guide when cutting brass. Check springs before firing just to be safe. Keep your shots close and hit your mark and the .35 SL kills deer fine. Similar ballistics to a .357 in a rifle.

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    .38 Special cases (no extractor groove) with the rims turned down, .38/.357 dies. Neck sized with .223 die.
    Cast bullet - .352". IMR-4227 (12+- grs). Small rifle primer.

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    Lee-Precision special order .351 sizing die arrived yesterday Nov 6. 2 weeks and 3 days after order online. Made it, shipped it, from Wisconsin to Maine, whole transaction on the net. Is this a great country, or what? Any shooter who votes democrat is either not paying attention, or is a congenital democrat.
    Anyway, I can now start load development for this gun.
    "You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions, now quiet, will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal." Robert Toombs, Democrat of Georgia, warning of the results of the imminent attack of the Confederacy upon Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor, 1861

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    What are you using for brass?

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    I use .38 special , I did have to cut a very slight extractor groove to get them to function properly in my rifle .
    A friends rifle functions perfectly fine without one .

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    Battis - I have those 18 empties to start with, and will attempt to make others as you suggested. I’m reluctant to shoot any of the factory ammo, since it is jacketed softpoint and unobtainable as far as I know.
    "You will wantonly strike a hornet's nest which extends from mountains to ocean, and legions, now quiet, will swarm out and sting us to death. It is unnecessary; it puts us in the wrong; it is fatal." Robert Toombs, Democrat of Georgia, warning of the results of the imminent attack of the Confederacy upon Fort Sumter in Charleston Harbor, 1861

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    Yep, you did mention the 18 cases. I'm losing it (whatever it is).
    I bought a Lee 351 custom die set several years ago, and they work with .35 or .351 brass, but it didn't work with regular 38 Special brass. The problem I had was getting neck tension on the 38 SP brass. I use a 223 die for the neck tension, and it works well.
    I bought my .35, .351 and .401 in Maine. Maybe it's a Maine rifle. I bought another .351 WSL in Whitefield, NH and it had 5 notches cut into the stock. I hope it was deer they were keeping track of.

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    The Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversion says to make from .357 Magnnum. Turn rim to .405" dia. & back chamfer. Cut case to1.15".F/L size in .35 SL die . Trim to length. Chamfer.
    It also lists a load with 180 gr. bullet, 12.9 gr 2400, Velocity approx. 1420

    TGM

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    I've never shot a deer with 35SL but shot exactly one with a 351. I was guest at a deer camp and host hunted with a 351. His grandfather and later his dad got their deer every year with it. Host insisted I hunt his 351 at least one day. I did and shot a deer at 30yds and it flopped around for about the same distance but it didn't get up. There is no reason at all that a 35SL if used within reasonable range.

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    I haven't fired my .35 WSL in awhile. This thread got be thinking about it. I worked the bolt and it was tight. Then I saw some crud inside the receiver and around the buffer area. So, I started taking it apart, and I kept going - recoil spring and guide rod, bolt, buffers, firing pin - all of it, which I didn't want to do because of the reassembly. At least it will be nice and clean.

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    I have a box of old 50 round Winchester factory ammo if your looking for some.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check