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Thread: I知 all done with my 450BM Ruger American with cast!!!

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    I have a Hawkeye in 358 Winchester and it doesn't feed wide nose bullets either. My 1903A3 30-06 will pick up and feed the same 358 cartridge though. Seems like my hawkeye prefers long pointy ogives for it to feed correctly. Comparing the 2 receivers it looks like the Hawkeye is wider in comparison to the O3A3 for the slot where you push the cartridges in. Especially towards the front.
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    Is there a particular reason you want the .450 BM and want to load it with heavy FP bullets? Case restrictions?

    If the answer is yes, the No 1 will be the most forgiving.

    For hunting deer, the .350 Legend might merit consideration and it was designed to address the case restrictions. Quite a few issues reported with factory ammunition in the .350 with case length variations but nothing a reloader could not address easily.

    But then I do not like shooting guns with a lot of recoil...YMMV.
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    3B: if you are wanting this gun due to Cartridge Restrictions, I would invite you over to the 12 ga world of rifles. We've got slugs that will knock down anything. as long as your shots are going to be under like 150 yards you'd be good to go.

    My Favorite is my Browning Auto 5 with either a Hastings Rifled Barrel or Browning Buck Special Barrel both of which are very accurate.

    The group shown is from my STI Sabot Slugs which have proven to be exceedingly accurate. ( see Pic.)

    I assure you that this would satisfy your Big Bore yearnings in something that is not hard to get to work, and you can cast your own slugs right at home, adn have no problems with Feeding or Knock Down Power.

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    Watching for Ruger's actions
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    Originally bought the gun so I didn’t have to spend $1800 on a suppressed barrel for my 77/44. Well, I never bought a suppressor for the 450 anyways. I also bought it to use deer hunting in IA. I already have a savage 220 that I bedded and will shoot three shots all in one big hole at 100 yards with 3” Remington accutips. I bought a case of them after I shot a few “one big hole”groups in a row. So im guessing I’ll end up with the go wild...which is the exact same gun with a longer barrel as its close in price. I’m sure Ruger would want as much as I paid for my gun to boot for a gunsite upgrade. If I end up with a go wild it will on a steady diet of J words only as I highly doubt it’s going to feed any better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by W.R.Buchanan View Post
    3B: if you are wanting this gun due to Cartridge Restrictions, I would invite you over to the 12 ga world of rifles. We've got slugs that will knock down anything. as long as your shots are going to be under like 150 yards you'd be good to go.

    My Favorite is my Browning Auto 5 with either a Hastings Rifled Barrel or Browning Buck Special Barrel both of which are very accurate.

    The group shown is from my STI Sabot Slugs which have proven to be exceedingly accurate. ( see Pic.)

    I assure you that this would satisfy your Big Bore yearnings in something that is not hard to get to work, and you can cast your own slugs right at home, adn have no problems with Feeding or Knock Down Power.

    Randy
    Randy,

    That is an impressive group from a slug gun. I have a buddy who has the Savage bolt gun in 12 ga and he loves it. My deer have been shot at a maximum range of 130 yards, so the "need" for a longer range gun is more of a "want".

    I am lucky that in my area of Michigan I can use a rifle. I get the chance to hunt a neighbors power line a few days a year so it is nice to have the ability to reach out farther if need be.

    3B,
    The same guy who has the Savage bolt gun bought a .450BM like yours. He lives downstate and has the restrictions to deal with. His Ruger has only been fired with factory ammunition and it works well. He has never been able to shoot great groups with it (3") and I think it is because the recoil bothers him...but it feeds reliably.

    Good luck with your new rifle when it arrives!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skeettx View Post
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    I talked to Ruger customer service on Friday to make sure they received the gun which they did. I received an email yesterday morning that they got it in for service so I called and talk to a specialist to get an update(and to make sure they just didn’t fix it again and sent back the same gun). The specialist said they didn’t have a chance to diagnose anything on it but they would have somebody call me about exchanging for a different model once it was in for service. I received a call this morning from their person in charge of exchanges. I was Asked which models I was interested in. I told them the blued and walnut 6387 gunsight scout or the go wild version and would like to stick with the 450 bushmaster. I told her I’d probably have to go with the go wild version because that gun scout is probably going to require as much as I paid for the American and then some to upgrade for since it retailed for over twice the price. I was asked to provide my original receipt for proof of purchase and the see how much I paid for it to put towards another gun. That’s where the fun started as I’ve sent that gun in back-and-forth so many times and Ruger has replaced the shipping box 3 at least 3 times. I had no idea where that receipt went and I swear it didn’t come back on the last visit with my gun. So I called Cabela’s where I bought it. They now have a new point of sale system so they’re not able to look up old receipts before bass pro took them over. I made the purchase on my Cabela’s Visa and they have now changed banks and have no history of previous charges prior to last year. I have to give the Cabela’s associate “a shout out” as she was able to look up the history of my federal firearms license purchase for proof that I bought the gun there. I would’ve had to drive back-and-forth a couple hours to pick it up (they needed my DL & SS#) and it still wouldn’t show and how much I paid for it. The Cabela’s associate even called me back again when I was on the phone with Ruger explaining the situation. She left a message her work schedule hours today and to ask for her when I got to the store. I emailed Ruger with the phone number to Cabela’s and the person I talked to so they could call for proof and in hope it would save a couple hours of drive time. I received an email back from Ruger shortly after my reply saying that they could either trade me even up for the go wild or I would have to spend $110 to upgrade to the scout...which do you think I traded for?

    I have to say IMO Ruger took care of me with the smoking deal on the scout after all the problems I’ve had with the American on and off in the past two years. Some of the problems were probably caused by me and some caused by the workmanship. I just got an email to sign and forward to my FFL holder(adding another $35 for a transfer fee). I’ll keep everybody updated and post a picture when it comes. I’m excited, Christmas came early...even if I had to buy my own present! I’ve have already seen the scout version I’m getting. The LGS has one in stock. The thing is sharp looking, high quality, and built like a tank. It reminds me of old school rifle craftsmanship of yesteryear. The gun is going to be too pretty to hunt...I’m afraid I’m going to scratch it. I just have too many stainless guns with plastic stocks and had to go with something different this time. I can’t wait to see how the controlled feed does with cycling cast bullets.

    Update,

    they just called me a few minutes ago for payment. I was told they have to build it and will take approximately two weeks. Thought it was pretty cool that they were building me a gun from scratch. Well I highly doubt it’s going to make this year‘s deer season but next year it will.
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    3B: Good for you, and being tenacious enough to fight thru the BS and come out on top This should be a lesson for many here who have to deal with Gun Makers. If you keep after them they generally will perform

    Hope this one is more to your liking,,, it should be.

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    buddy has the scout 77 hawkeye. We were just talking about it yesterday. Hes have the same problems as everyone here. Only thing it feeds is the tipped pointed jacketed bullets. He said hes tried about every 45 colt he has and even sized down his 458s to use and they wouldn't feed either. If you need a straight wall cartridge id suggest you swap it on a 350 legend.
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    Gun is on its way back. I asked if I could exchange it for a different model. The gal I talked with said from all the times it has been back she said wasn稚 going to be an issue. Her, like I and CW, figured I just got a lemon. She said once the gun arrives they would call me about the current issues and chamfer along with what I would like to exchange it out for. I would like to stick with the 450BM chambering. I see they also offer the go wild (same design, longer barrel), a limited edition Hawkeye that痴 offered only through Randy痴 gun shop in Michigan, a couple of scout models, and a number one. Well I知 not a single shot guy so the number ones out along and I知 sure there would be a massive up charge on that one. She said if they do even exchanges of other models within reason so I知 sure I値l have to pay some to boot with a scout or hawkeye(if they have any).

    So it痴 between the other three. Anyone own a go wild, 450BM scout, or Hawkeye? I would assume the ladder of the two have different magazine systems and wonder if they feed cast more reliable? I知 guessing a controlled feed with the Hawkeye or gunsight would probably feed cast with good size metplates a lot better?
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    Only the bluntest of WFP causes hickups but I can get even those chambered...

    Lymans 457191 & 457121 are slick feeders for me!!

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    I picked the gun up this morning. It’s pretty sharp. Of course I’m looking it over with a fine tooth comb and can see some of the wood grain not filled in by whoever finished the stock. The comb where your hand goes over it’s pretty rough like they didn’t sand it very well. One of the rings base screws were laying in the box loose and the base screw bolt was put in backwards. I would assume whoever packed it at Ruger had no clue that the bolt was in backwards couldn’t screw the nut on and laid it in the box! Luckily it didn’t bounce around and scratch the gun. I also felt a “clicking” when I grabbed the forend. It’s touching the barrel and when I grab it the little (click,clunk) I felt was the stock flexing and the barrel bottoming out in the stock. The stock has an extremely loose fit in the front. It actually has more play than the plastic stock did on my American. I’ll just have to free float it and bed it. Do you think since they built it from scratch for me they would’ve at least tried the float that barrel? Oh well. I traded/paid for another Ruger that needs work. Oh well, it is what it, is I’m sure it’s going to be better than the American Oh, I did try my dummy rounds in it with both my noe HP and lee 300. The first four rounds of the noe hollow point cycled flawlessly!... So I jinxed myself and tried them again. One out of three jammed then the next four rounds two out of four jammed. I had to humor myself and try the 300 Grain lees, they jammed as well. If I work the bolt back-and-forth a few times they will eventually chamber but I’m not dealing with that BS. This gun, if I keep it, will be on a steady diet of J words only since it’s the only thing that will cycle in this gun just like the American. I’m sure I will keep it and it will collect dust so if I ever make it back to Iowa deer hunting I have a 450 bushmaster that will shoot flatter than slugs with J words. The extractor whips my dummy rounds into the next county on this gun! The bottom line is if I want to shoot 450BM cast reliably out a Ruger it would have to be loaded singly which I’m not going to do. I if I wanted a single shot I would have bought a number 1 instead. I’m not a single shot guy unless it’s a 100 plus year old rifle. I think it’s probably going to sit new in the box until I decide I want a different rifle to trade for at the LGS or until I make up my mind to go back to Iowa deer hunting. I’m pretty bummed that this one won’t feed cast either without arm wresting the bolt back and forth chewing up boolits. I guess it’s just the nature of the beast with a 450 bushmaster and bolt actions. Well onto cast in my 35 WHELEN and 35 Remington‘s! I would assume my lee 200’s shouldn’t be an issue with those guns! I might have to load up some subsonic J words and get a suppressor for the 450 bushmaster if it stays around. I would assume the only way I’m ever going to get a cast bullet the feed smoothly and reliably is going to be finding a completely pointed boolit similar to what we makes for the 7.62x39.






    I’m going to try and re-torque the action screws the barrel actually moves up and down A good 1/8th of an inch and stops both ways it’s like the action is loose and rocks back-and-forth. I’m sure its probably going back to Ruger as well so they can replace the stock on it. I’m sure they won’t want to send me a new one in the mail.


    I decided to take the action out of the stock to see what’s going on and read the directions. Ruger says to torque the front screw at 90 and only 10 on the rear. I did bump the rear a little bit and it seem to spring back a little bit better but not anywhere near where it should be. When I remove the stock from the action I found a big bird of wood around the trigger group. It came off with my fingernail. I figured maybe it was teeter tottering on that wood burr. I reassembled and tested it’s a little bit better but still does the exact same thing. My wheeler fat wrench only goes to 65 inch pounds so I don’t have anything to get it 90 in pds as stated by Rugers directions. It seems kind of ridiculous that the real screw only takes 10 inch pounds. I would assume glass but in the whole action would take care of wiggling put sunset been through the loop with Ruger so many times I’m gonna call them one more time on Monday when they open about it. It seems weird that it loosely rocks up and down when I have it probably close to 70 in pds per wheelers reading and it took an actor god to remove the screw to begin with. After I talk to Ruger on Monday I might just save the headache and try and bet it by the front tang area to keep it from rocking?
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