Loading Rubber 9mm bullets

[Bmi48219]

A buddy ordered some 9mm rubber bullets from ConceptsinAmmunition.com. When he receives them he wants me to load super mild loads for teaching Concealed Carry class. Sounds like the idea is students will put the muzzle of semi-auto into a 3-4 foot length of 2-3” pvc that is 1/3rd full of cat litter. Enough of a charge that when fired the bullet will exit barrel but not enough power to cycle the slide. Then students learn to hand cycle slide & clear chamber. Bullet is stopped & held by cat litter.
I guess there’s a U-Tube video showing it.
I emailed the manufacturer for data on bullet weight. They market bullets & loaded rounds (as being “less than lethal” for SD, with the usual disclaimers). They also sell loads for target shooting. No reply as of yesterday so I’ll call them Monday.
In the meantime, has anyone had experience with what sounds like mouse fart rubber bullet loads?
If I do load these you can bet there will be a solid Indemnify & Hold Harmless document signed first.

[ReloaderFred]

Their website says reloading instructions are included in the package with the bullets. You'll just have to wait for the package to arrive and see what the loading data is, since they don't offer it on their website.

Most rubber bullets are powered by just the primer, but from reading the information on their pages, it appears these can be loaded over powder as an alternative defense load. I have no experience with loading rubber bullets over powder, only the indoor practice rubber bullets that use only a primer.

My idea of a defense load is evidently different than theirs.....

Hope this helps.

Fred

[elmacgyver0]

They will still be lethal.
For practicing clearing a firearm dummy rounds work just fine.
In my opinion your buddy has no business teaching CCW classes if these are the kind of ideas he comes up with.
I hope I don't sound like a jerk for saying this.

[poppy42]

Cast hot glue boolets and load with PRIMER ONLY! They should work just fine for what you’re doing ! As for liability you’re on your own with that I have no idea . Hope this helps

[reddog81]

Start with primer only and see what happens. If the primer gets the bullet out of the barrel I’d stick with that. I have some Speer plastic bullets for 38 special. I’ve used in 9mm and they’ll punch through cardboard at 20 feet with ease with the primer only loads. That primer has some punch to it. Hearing protection is still required.

[Conditor22]

You could get a wax boolit maker. Also for CC and fast draw practice

[Winger Ed.]

That's odd.

For practice clearing a auto, and detecting flince or jerking the trigger-
we mixed dummy rounds in with live ammo randomly.

Our dummy rounds have a neck sized fired case with it's spent primer, and a projectile.

Then on the pistol or the rifle range, as people are shooting, watch them.

When a dummy round comes up, in a auto, or even a bolt action rifle-
they learn to clear, and tell if they are jerking the trigger or flinching.

[rockshooter]

don't ever shoot a primer-powered rubber bullet at a shovel hanging in your basement- it hurts! or so I've heard....
Loren

[Winger Ed.]

don't ever shoot a primer-powered rubber bullet at a shovel hanging in your basement- it hurts! or so I've heard....
Loren

Too funny.

That reminds me of Col. Cooper's back page column in the old Guns & Ammo magazine.
He always had a obscure bit of wisdom under his article.

Perhaps my favorite was 'Never unload your 1911 while standing over a water bed'.
He never elaborated on where all this wisdom came from either.

[NyFirefighter357]

Your opening yourself to a liability loading them!

[Petrol & Powder]

It doesn't sound like that "instructor"? is telling you the real use for those rubber bullets.
If he was teaching malfunction drills, a simple dummy round would work and be safer.
I think he has another use in mind for those rubber bullet cartridges and just concocted that cover story.

I wouldn't get involved in that project even a little bit. Tell your "buddy" to find someone else.