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    PCP info

    I'm looking at getting a Pre charged pneumatic at some point but really don't know where to start. I like pellet guns cause they're cheap to shoot, but PCP's are not cheap to get into. I'm looking for something easily filled by a hand pump as compressors are expensive and I don't look to reliably be able to get a tank filled. Any help at all with links, sites or any info to point me in the right direction will be appreciated.
    Thanks in advance.
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    https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php
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    Airgun Nation is another good website. I have a Yong Heng 4500 psi compressor that works flawlessly purchased new at $200 off eBay. Hand pumps are $50 and are a REAL workout and not for those with health or heart problems!!!

    Crosman Marauders are what I started with but you can get an Urban or Gauntlet for $300. The .177 and .22 ammo are the lowest cost and both work well for pesting. The .177 is limited to 50-60 yards where .22 can be stretched out to 100 yds. Whereas .25 and .30 ammo is the highest cost.

    PCPs are a pleasure to shoot because there is virtually no recoil or noise, especially if you use a LDC. PCPs are extremely accurately and they will amaze even the novice shooter.

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    I have two PCP air rifles, and have had nothing but pleasure from both over past three years use! Both Czechoslovakian Brno manufactured for Air Arms, and both purchased "used/returns" from Pyramid Air, they have been most reliable and relatively easy to fill with a Hill brand pump. One "trick" on both is I paid Pyramid their ten dollars to have them check rifles out before shipment -- so the air tanks came to me just about filled. Hence, I never have had to pump either up from zero p.s.i. .
    My first -- a T200 -- was necessitated when the "Powers" at club passed a new rule forever forbidding indoor (.22 winter league) firearm shooting, so a group formed/started an air rifle replacement. My budget not allowing the >$1,000 most spent -- I found and bought the Air Arms (.177) at half the outlay, and the T200 shoots much better than I do! At camp, I'm far enough from other domiciles to "legally" discharge firearms, but for the most part -- vermin et al -- I was so elated with the AA T200, I saw -- also a refurb/return -- some months later a S200 in .22. Having the two -- both using the same easily removable air tank, enables me to take one to any event/shoot -- with the air tank off the 2nd as a back-up/spare.
    I do not know your body weight -- BUT -- the higher the pressure in your tank/PCP, the more poundage of force is required with each pump. I weigh in at about 230lbs, and at 2.5K pressure, there's very few pounds weight left on floor beneath the bottom of my sneakers...something for you to consider.
    Re a source, as indicated, both came from Pyramid -- I was/am happy with both -- and, should you get a "refurb/return" -- their ten dollar checkout seemed a good choice -- which I'd do again.
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    Thanks everyone for all the replies.

    I've looked at GTA a bit but it's a VERY deep and dark hole, forgot to bring spare batteries for the flashlight. I still need to check out airgun nation, are they the ones with the show on Pursuit?

    For me, PCP's would start out at 22 but preferably 25 and up. 177's I'd rather grab a multi pump and a few hundred pellets for 50 bucks.
    I'd prefer something bigger as it'll be easier to keep a mould warm as I intend to cast.

    I'll have to look more at compressors too, didn't realize they could be found at prices that good. I do have some health problems that might limit when I could do that kind of workout with a pump.

    I like the gauntlet except for the stock, but I could live with it. I saw a review where they fired about 4 full magazines before power started to drop off. That's something I'd like too, but other than reading reviews with listed velocities for each shot I don't know what to look for. I think regulated would be the way to go but I'm not even really sure exactly what that means, it regulates the amount or pressure I'm not sure.
    What do I need to look for to get more shots between fills, pressure volume etc.

    Thanks again and thanks for any future help.
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    Overkill -- airguns are indeed a different planet -- and, it's not too bad a planet . Air Venturi came out with their Nomad II compressor which is quite the 20-pound marvel -- runs off either 12VDC (e.g., your vehicle's battery) or plugs into a regular 110 Volt outlet. They can be had for roughly seven hundred U S dollars. Recently (???) Pyramid Air has had them on sale.
    I kind of agree with you re caliber. My squirrel-gun is .22, albeit a lot of friends make them disappear with their .177s. I guess it's a matter of choice. However, if you should get into 10-meter target -- at least in our league -- it's ONLY .177. My .177 (AA T200) is a tad on the low power end, engineered primarily for target shooting. One MAY easily increase it's power by turning a few screws -- but, I elected to keep it as stock for the target work, and picked up the factory-return-refurb'd .22 for critters. Bion -- between us -- I so enjoy shooting the .22 more... BEST wishes, whatever you elect.
    One added note is generally, I've been told, the bigger the caliber, the louder the report; and, with most PCPs, the number of shots decreases. This opens still another window of regulated/moderated ones, but these generally add mucho-$$$s to their price. Me? Say, with my S200, I've learned (using my chrony) that I get repeatable accuracy from ~2500 p.s.i., down to just a hair more than 1,000 p.s.i. -- after which I simply swap air cylinder with my back-up. Works for me....
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    I started with a .25 Marauder and a pump. The rifle preformed well, but I was afraid if the gage.

    I would only fire 16 rounds before getting the pump out, and if I could do every stroke right, it took about 110 strokes.

    The pump has a learning curve, too it works best if given time at each end of the stroke for the air to get through all the little passage ways inside.

    Now I have a .17 cal Marauder, field target model. I fired it over a chronograph, at shots#11-20 the extreme spread was 3 fps.

    A 20 shot string from shots# 26-45 yielded a 10 fps extreme spread. I continued firing over the chrono, at shot #62 the first on to travel at less velocity the slowest of the 20 shot string. Had shot #70 fired before low hits were noticed at 25 yards.

    The average velocity was 864 with 10.3 grain pellet.

    The 17 gives a lot of shooting with a fill of air.

    I shoot off my deck towards the rear of the lot, at 78 yards there is a couple swingers in front of a small berm. They can be hit with the .17, but its easier with the .25.

    About 2.5 mill holdover with 35 yard zero.
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    What kind of accuracy are you guys getting from the 22 cals at 50/100 yards?

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    Two years ago the 100 yard EBR was won using a .22 compatto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrahamVT View Post
    What kind of accuracy are you guys getting from the 22 cals at 50/100 yards?
    I cannot address 100 yards, as frankly have never tried target potential at this distance. (For both rimfire and center-fire, I "zero" at 75 yards).

    Re my S200 Air Arms .22 PCP, at 10 meters in a "Tipton Best Gun Vice", the ten-shot groups most-often can be covered with a U S quarter -- generally eight holes a smidgeon larger than a U S nickel, with a couple a bit outside -- which may be from my movement of improvised rest. At 62 feet -- short pistol range distance, the groups generally may be covered with an orange.
    Two factors, in my stream of thoughts, are 1st: I'd not wish to shoot anything at greater distance for either sport hunting or vermin dispatch (that's what the .22 rimfire's for); and 2nd, albeit there's a "sweet range of pressure" -- mine is roughly from 2,450psi down to ~1,100 - 1,250psi -- being a non regulated PCP, there still is too much variability between pressure drops, as well as pellets used, to insure real levels of consistency for me. (For me/my PCP, on one day H&N Barracuda Hunter's make the best group; on another day, they're out-shined by Crosman Premieres.)
    Hope I contributed to helping answer your query some....
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