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Thread: Help with 308 hunting

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    Help with 308 hunting

    So I have a problem, I have a TC compass in 308 1/12 twist I have a 150 grn Lee flat nose and I have worked up a load going 2250fps and it holds a 1 1/2 inch at 100 and 4” at 200 (using a 3-9 scope) but I also have a NOE 311299 200grn round nose going 2000fps with the same groups which would you use and why? I’ll be shooting open fields at a max distance of 200 yards. Thanks

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    always like more weight I would use the 200 gr boolit
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    I do not understand things like this. I really don't. When it comes to hunting, minute of deer is just fine. Hunting is not the pursuit of the "x", it is meat. If your target results suggest that a deer will die, that is a good group. Bullet does not matter in the least. It s just a deer. Get a bullet near it and it will die. You state that your groups are the same. Either one of them will get the job done. Run whichever you have or whichever you have ammo loaded from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    always like more weight I would use the 200 gr boolit
    Totally agree. In this case I would use the heavier bullet.
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    I agree on more weight, but I'd want something with a flat nose which the 311299 doesn't have. Something like the 311041 or RCBS 180 grain flat point.

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    i use the 165gr(173gr actual) ranch dog in my 30-40 krag. its all you need for deer/black bear.
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    I have used this 200 grain bullet for the last 25 years and always had good performance and easy deer kills with it. Round nose or not it always seems to work. I like it in my French MAS 36 as the sites are good and the deer are easy to hit out to about 200 yards. Its my favorite deer bullet and rifle.

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    My vote would be the 200 gr with a small FN made with a few swipes of a file on the nose
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    I'd use the 200gr also. More shock and awwww.

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    Either one will work with proper placement, neither one will work with improper placement. My vote goes to the 150 grain Flat Point Lee. With the group's you are shooting, you have the accuracy Factor worked out already.

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    I do not hold with the bigger is better crowd in this one. i would say the flat nose... now if you had the 311299 like mine which has a custom Hollow Point.... then it would be another story... weight is good, but a flat point transfers energy better then a pointy heavier boolit in my book... I like the anchoring effect a flat point boolit has on a well placed shot. i hate chasing deer through impossibly thick alaskan brush. no blood trails to speak of.. i want them Dead Right There!!! and don't cast them hard either.. a soft boolit on deer you can hear it Hit. thwack

    but what the heck do I know anyway. i am just a wierdo hermit living in the Bushes of alaska..
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    I really like the 311299, Very accurate for Vin Mil matches with my M1941 MC Sniper Rifle.
    But, my choice for 30 cal hunting would be the 311284/ 215 gr round nose "Krag" bullet
    which has the more blunt profile right out of the mold.
    Meanwhile, my actual cast bullet deer rifles are M86 45-70/385 gr FP at 1750
    And my 358 Win with 250 gr paper patched cast bullet at 2350fps. Have done a good job
    killing many Northwoods WI large bucks over the years for me. One shot One Kill , or lately
    am hunting with my M336CB 38-55 / 265 FP at about same 1750.
    LIKING Large Bore. Less need for expansion. Already larger diameter as shot compared to
    30 cals needing expansion. Works for me
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    I’ve killed a ton of deer with the 311299 but I was asking mostly to see if there was a slight edge gives to the weight vs the fn

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    Help with 308 hunting

    Penetration will be better with the heavier bullet if that is a factor for you.
    I would use the 150’s for deer and the 200’s for bear/hogs.
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    Concur with the above posts but will add that I like to slightly HP my cast hunting bullets which for velocities above 2000 fps are cast of a softer alloy of COWW + 2% tin then mixed 50/50 with pure lead. While I have modified by shortening the Lyman HP stem so it HPs to 3/16" depth I also duplicate that HP using the Forster HP tool. That alloy and the HP really increase the terminal effectiveness of the 30/31 caliber bullets. Here is a 314299 I have HP'd with the Forster for hunting;

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    We have big deer, moose and elk out here in Kanada, and I'd go with the biggest, heaviest flat pt. that gives good accuracy, in the .308 or 30/06, of course I would opt for a bigger caliber when using cast boolits.

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    this is my version... at 196g dressed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    Either one will work with proper placement, neither one will work with improper placement. My vote goes to the 150 grain Flat Point Lee. With the group's you are shooting, you have the accuracy Factor worked out already.

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    Eastern KY deer either should exit. I believe the fp will do greater internal damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    Eastern KY deer either should exit. I believe the fp will do greater internal damage.

    Yeah a big deer here is 150 lbs, I normally hunt with a TC compass in 30-06 but this year I want to use a 308(don’t ask me why) since I will be shooting at a distance of 200 yards I may go with the 150s but then again I could always send my bullets base first through my lee sized to make it have a flat nose some what, if that doesn’t bump the nose up(the curse of PCed bullets is nose size)

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