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    hang fire at the range

    I was out shooting my 35 Whelen yesterday. The rifle is built on a Mauser 98 action and it has never misfired. But yesterday after going through a half-dozen rounds successfully something happened that is a first for me. I pulled the trigger, felt the pin strike....and nothing happened. I was shooting from the bench and I stood up, after a few seconds (maybe 6 sec) of wondering what happened, the muzzle was still pointed down range and BANG...
    I have never had this happen before. I was using CCI primers which have always been dependable. I am not sure why this happened.
    I continued shooting with no further mishap's.
    Your thoughts are most welcome.
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    Load specifics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by atr View Post
    I was out shooting my 35 Whelen yesterday. The rifle is built on a Mauser 98 action and it has never misfired. But yesterday after going through a half-dozen rounds successfully something happened that is a first for me. I pulled the trigger, felt the pin strike....and nothing happened. I was shooting from the bench and I stood up, after a few seconds (maybe 6 sec) of wondering what happened, the muzzle was still pointed down range and BANG...
    I have never had this happen before. I was using CCI primers which have always been dependable. I am not sure why this happened.
    I continued shooting with no further mishap's.
    Your thoughts are most welcome.
    atr
    CCI primers says it all. I've had the same thing happen repeatedly. I've experienced only ONE dud out of thousands of Winchester primers.

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    It's most likely the primers used, but just in case, I would also disassemble the bolt and check that there isn't anything in the firing pin channel or on the FP body (burr ? ) that could occasionally hang up the FP from going fully forward.

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    I had a dud yesterday with a Remington small pistol primer, good heavy hammer blow, dent in primer and nothing. Kept pointed toward target as this is a single shot Contender 357 pistol. This is about 900th out of 1000 in the box of primers.hope its the last. Never had this with Win primers.

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    Let's hear what load you are using, powder, primer # and bullet. Medium-slow Ball powder and long jump to rifling(lighter-short bullet)? My Whelen has about one caliber of freebore
    Hell, I was there!

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    250 gr J....53 gr / IMR 4064.....CCI LR primer
    GI brass, cleaned and FL sized. primer pocket properly swaged. Flash hole was checked for center and diameter.
    I have used this load/brass combination for many years.
    bullet was seated just short of lands.

    I did take the bolt apart...(a pain)....found nothing wrong.
    the primer showed a very strong strike similar to the ones previously fired without mishap
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    Quote Originally Posted by atr View Post
    250 gr J....53 gr / IMR 4064.....CCI LR primer
    GI brass, cleaned and FL sized. primer pocket properly swaged. Flash hole was checked for center and diameter.
    I have used this load/brass combination for many years.
    bullet was seated just short of lands.

    I did take the bolt apart...(a pain)....found nothing wrong.
    the primer showed a very strong strike similar to the ones previously fired without mishap
    custom chamber or magazine on that mauser, or single shot only

    Last edited by swheeler; 09-13-2019 at 09:58 PM. Reason: pic
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    I've seen true hang fires before on a couple of occasions. In every case there was a delay, but it was something like a second or less. If you actually had a six second delay I'd suspect that it was the firing pin in the bolt hanging up some way. I believe that's just too long for an actual hang fire.

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    I really don’t see something in the firing pin channel holding the pin back for 6 seconds and then releasing. The delay was probably shorter than 6 seconds, and I still don’t think it was a hung firing pin that sporadically jarred loose just sitting there, and with enough force to set off the primer.

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    A squib that smoldered itself to fruition in a second or two. If I get "close" to the rifling with Hornady 250 SP I'm approx .3 an inch longer than the magazine on my 1909 DWM action with only 1/4 inch bullet in the neck.
    Hell, I was there!

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    Good thing that you kept it pointed down range .

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    There is a difference between a dud, a squib and a hangfire. The round in question was a true hangfire. A squib us an under power load and a dud is a dud.

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    Repeatedly??? Hang fires??? Really?? I get you like Winchester primers!

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    That would be scary.

    Never heard of a hang fire lasting that long.

    Is it possible that something was in the case between the primer and the powder charge that could have smoldered? But that is really a stretch!
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    pulled the trigger, felt the pin strike I'd say a real hang fire. Even more interesting when it happens in 5"/38. Anyway, yes, something in the powder or the powder it's self. Not too slow a powder so not a 'blow - out/quench'. Wet clean the cases by any chance? Inside neck lube for FL sizing? Big glob of bullet lube on the base?
    Whatever!

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    You guys need to shoot some Pakistani 303 Brit if you want to see hangfires. I have had them 20 sec after pulling the trigger.

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    Yeppers I would say a SQUIB that was trying to become a SEE but only made it to a HANGFIRE!
    Hell, I was there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomme boy View Post
    You guys need to shoot some Pakistani 303 Brit if you want to see hangfires. I have had them 20 sec after pulling the trigger.
    No thanks, I'm good here.
    Hell, I was there!

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