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    224 Valkyrie cast bullet loads

    I have been unable to find any information on a cast bullet load for 224 Valkyrie. Any information would be great.

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    Not really a cast bullet candidate. But depending on your intent of bullet size and speed. I bet I could help ya get started.

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    You could probably start with 223 data but that fast twist isn't gonna be friendly to cast bullets . Some have gotten decent accuracy with a 1:7 but it's not easy at higher speeds .
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    I would say that you are looking at a good candidate for jacketed swaged bullets. If so it is only a matter of the right diameter for you.

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    Thanks for the replies I am new to casting I have been collecting the supplies for a while I was wanting to know if it would be worth the investment to have a mold made by blt for my rifle would it be best to powder coat the projectile any suggestion on mold and weight

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    Aa,

    As far as I know there has been no actual testing done with the Valk. I do own a Valk and have put considerable thought into trying cast in it. You could load any "normal" cast Bullet used in the .223 AR up to 75 grains, but with the Valk chamber designed for anything up to and including 100 VLD's, I think you're wasting your time with anything smaller than the MP 227-75.

    https://www.mp-molds.com/e-shop/mold...-gc-nato-6-cav

    NOE does carry two 100 grain choices. One a slick side PC version and this one, that I have contemplated trying in my 1-7 Valk PC'd:

    http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/product...j9c8hqg0hjcui1

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    The problem is that there have been problems with 1-7" twist barrels with over 90 grain projectiles in some manufacturers barrels as the powder capacity in the case is borderline, as I say, in some barrels. No one seems to have truly figured out the why. 1-6.5" seems to solve the problem nicely. It can also be alleviated in 1-7" with heavier recoil springs.

    IMO, a cast bullet like the above NOE, reduced to 90 grains and powder coated, or a conventional lube groove gas check design with a good high velocity lube ought to work very well in the Valkyrie.

    Alloy that will stand up will be paramount. Anything short of perfect by eye will have to be rejected after casting, followed by rigorous weight sorting, both before and after lubing/checking will be mandatory for any real accuracy testing. Anything less will be a waste when that small a cast projectile is going to be pushed to absolute maximum to get it to stabilise.

    Shooting the MP 75 ought to be a good combination in the Valk. With increased case capacity over the .223, you should be able to use a little slower powder. Even better if your barrel is over 22 inches with a rifle +2" gas configuration.

    The .224 Valkyrie and cast is virgin territory. If you're a neophyte or unwilling to treat it as a pretty specialised proposition, you may want to consider a different project.
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    I did not jump on the .224valk band wagon and buy one...yet. I do .223 though and all my barrels are 1-7. I would go with gas checked bullets 70gr+ and play with different powders. Consistency is what you want with .223 sized cast bullets, weight, size, etc. For a newbie caster .223 or in your case .224valk is going to be a steeper learning curve than if you would start with say a more cast friendly caliber like .44 or .45.

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    I am using a pof 224 Valkyrie with a 20” barrel 1-7 twist Ported chamber I am going to try to get ahold of some 22 cal cast projectiles to try to get an idea what my rifle likes and then go from
    there if my rifle likes a jacked weight will it be the same with cast?

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    Aarg,

    "Ported Chamber"?

    I'm not going to blow smoke up your skirt. For your own benefit I'm going to tell you straight up. It's apparent you have very little to no experience with cast bullets and you're wanting to start from square one with a semi auto .22 caliber, which is about as hard a thing to pull off shooting cast as there is if you don't have a good grounding in what you're doing.

    Do yourself a huge favor and spend a good month using the search function and read everything you can get your eyeballs on regarding shooting cast in semi auto's. You're begging for failure if you don't. What you don't know about what you're wanting to do, too many times turns guys off forever to shooting cast.

    Behind every wives tail about why you can't shoot cast is some guys failure because he didn't understand what he was trying to do and why it failed in the first place. Throw a bunch of too small bullets, of too soft an alloy, with the wrong lube, at too high a pressure/velocity, and that's how you get " You can't shoot lead bullets in an AR, you'll lead up your gas tube!".

    I'm not trying to run you off, or turn you off to shooting cast bullets, but what you're asking to do is the other side of the world away from something like substituting cast for jacketed in .45 ACP.

    Read everything you can find on the forum. I spent well over a year reading on this forum before I ever even signed up to ask a question. Don't be afraid to ask a question, but 9 times out of 10 you can answer your own question a whole lot faster with the Search box.
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    I am a ways out from starting to cast and load for a new cal I just haven’t been able to find any information on casting for the 224 Valkyrie and wanted to learn everything I can before I start casting luckily I have a very experienced caster/reloader who can help when the time comes

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