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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post
    The New Testament is clear that the faithful in the Old Testament were "saved" through faith resulting in appropriate behavior (not perfect, but a live not characterized by sin)---see Hebrews. This is exactly the same for New Testament believers. Everyone that has or will be saved is because of Christ's death and resurrection. The difference is that New Testament saints know the mechanism of their salvation while the Old Testament saints did not. The "rules" never changed and no one was ever saved by following The Law or offering animal sacrifices--see Romans and Hebrews.
    You are correct, I was working up a study of Romans today and Paul asserts that Abraham was Justified (made righteous) by his radical faith/trust. Even though he and his wife Sarah were of an advanced age, he trusted/believed in God to make him the father of a huge multi-cultural family. It was his faith/trust that caused this.

    Among other things (salvation from the consequences of sin by faith/true in Jesus as God's true Messiah), Jesus was the mechanism through which God fullfilled his promise to Abraham, i.e. create large multi-cultural family around the world. Paul referenced this huge global family as a "new humanity". A new humanity and not another species which, is a biological term and not a theological concept.

    This new humanity, like Abraham was justified (made righteous) again by faith/trust, but this time in Jesus as Lord and savior. Note, that being made just/righteous does not make Christian any less human, but God does not hold their guilt against them. They are not innocent, but are declared to be innocent by God's soverign will. This is what we call "grace", i.e. God's unmerited favor.

    Romans is a fantastic piece of Biblical literature and most certainly Paul's longest and most through treatise on the Christian faith. I truly enjoy teaching Romans and am blessed all over again, every time I do the prep.

    From first to last, a postive relationship with God is keyed by faith/trust. This is the constant. Desires to have proof before faith/trust wil be granted is antithetical to Biblical faith. Have faith/trust and then a person will have all the proof and more that is needed. People who reqire proof first, sadly will never experience the joys of being God's child on this earth and in the life to come.
    Last edited by Char-Gar; 09-14-2019 at 10:41 PM.
    Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.

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    Most creationist consider the earth to be 6,000 to 6500 years old.
    And that is accepted as the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Char-Gar View Post
    You are correct, I was working up a study of Romans today and Paul asserts that Abraham was Justified (made righteous) by his radical faith/trust. Even though he and his wife Sarah were of an advanced age, he trusted/believed in God to make him the father of a huge multi-cultural family. It was his faith/trust that caused this.

    Among other things (salvation from the consequences of sin by faith/true in Jesus as God's true Messiah), Jesus was the mechanism through which God fullfilled his promise to Abraham, i.e. create large multi-cultural family around the world. Paul referenced this huge global family as a "new humanity". A new humanity and not another species which, is a biological term and not a theological concept.

    This new humanity, like Abraham was justified (made righteous) again by faith/trust, but this time in Jesus as Lord and savior. Note, that being made just/righteous does not make Christian any less human, but God does not hold their guilt against them. They are not innocent, but are declared to be innocent by God's soverign will. This is what we call "grace", i.e. God's unmerited favor.

    Romans is a fantastic piece of Biblical literature and most certainly Paul's longest and most through treatise on the Christian faith. I truly enjoy teaching Romans and am blessed all over again, every time I do the prep.

    From first to last, a postive relationship with God is keyed by faith/trust. This is the constant. Desires to have proof before faith/trust wil be granted is antithetical to Biblical faith. Have faith/trust and then a person will have all the proof and more that is needed. People who reqire proof first, sadly will never experience the joys of being God's child on this earth and in the life to come.
    Amen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Char-Gar View Post
    ......From first to last, a postive relationship with God is keyed by faith/trust. This is the constant. Desires to have proof before faith/trust wil be granted is antithetical to Biblical faith. Have faith/trust and then a person will have all the proof and more that is needed. People who reqire proof first, sadly will never experience the joys of being God's child on this earth and in the life to come.
    Many Christians of faith/trust will never experience the joys of being God's child on the Earth but at least they can hope for joy in the life to come. Many Christians lead lives of deprivation and persecution. Desperate for a better life they flee their homes to avoid rape and murder and starvation and try to move to the U.S. and elsewhere.

    Yep, Biblical faith is the idea that you need to believe without proof. Biblical faith is the acceptance of the idea that the books of the Bible are the word of God and the only words of God and accept no other religious teachings.

    The Bible does not bring joy to everyone who reads and accepts it but maybe it gives them the strength to live another day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wv109323 View Post
    ..... Most creationist consider the earth to be 6,000 to 6500 years old.
    Do we have any Creationists here. Does anyone reading these post believe the Earth is less than many billions of years old and has not had a biosphere for many Millions of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    Many Christians of faith/trust will never experience the joys of being God's child on the Earth but at least they can hope for joy in the life to come. Many Christians lead lives of deprivation and persecution. Desperate for a better life they flee their homes to avoid rape and murder and starvation and try to move to the U.S. and elsewhere.

    Yep, Biblical faith is the idea that you need to believe without proof. Biblical faith is the acceptance of the idea that the books of the Bible are the word of God and the only words of God and accept no other religious teachings.

    The Bible does not bring joy to everyone who reads and accepts it but maybe it gives them the strength to live another day.

    Tim
    My experience does not validate your position. I spent 4 years of my life living and working among the poorest people of the Andes Mountains of Ecuador and the tribal people of the Rain Forest. I spent many nights around a camp fire exchanging stories and telling of our lives. I found their lives full of humor, laughter and yes even joy. The joy they found in what we would consider a hard and deprived life changed the way I look at life and general. In every way possible, I was blessed by my years among them and was changed for the better.

    Around the fires at night, they would ask me "Cuentanos mas en cuando de Tejas, Hermano Carlos" (Tell us more about Texas) I would regale them with Texas tall tales, and laughter would abound. Texan has a never ending supplies of stories and they need not be 100% true. They knew I was "stretching the long bow", but that was part of the fun.

    I also spent several months among the very poorest of rural Southern India and again I found joy and laughter. We Americans have stilted notion of what it takes to make people happy. The think the abundance or absence of things, is a key factor. I am here to tell you that is untrue.
    Disclaimer: The above is not holy writ. It is just my opinion based on my experience and knowledge. Your mileage may vary.

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