I have shot my TC Hawken in 50 cal with a .015" prelubed patch. I can't get real high up in my charges before accuracy goes to pot, even with an over powder wad. I am done dialing in the 54 so tomorrow I am going to the range to play with this rifle and see if I can get it to shoot a real hunting load with a PRB. I have some .018 patches and can also try a different powder (have been fooling with Black MZ, can break out the Olde E). I am thinking that trying a known accurate charge (with the thinner patch) of 70 grains of Black MZ and an over powder wad but switching to the thicker patch is probably the way to go. After I have tried various charges with that combination I could switch to the Olde E 2F and work up from 50 grains. Make sense?