Titan ReloadingMidSouth Shooters SupplyRepackboxWideners
Inline FabricationLee PrecisionRotoMetals2Reloading Everything
Load Data Snyders Jerky
Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Help diagnosing Ruger #3 firing pin/breech block problem.

  1. #1
    Boolit Master pertnear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Heart of Texas
    Posts
    668

    Help diagnosing Ruger #3 firing pin/breech block problem.

    I apologize for the pictures, but it is hard to get a close-up of a primer with my camera. My rifle is a Ruger #3 that has been rebarreled to a 6.8mm SPC. The firing pin has always been off center, even in its previous chambering. That’s no big deal, as far as I can tell. But the firing pin indentation kicks up a burr no matter what the load. On a minimum book load you can see it & easily feel it with a finger nail. As the load & pressure goes up the burr gets more pronounced & eventually it flows back so much that you can “feel” the burr being rubbed flat as you lower the breech block. The primers look curved on the edges, so still far from “flattening”.

    My question is has anyone ever encountered such a problem with a Ruger #1 or #3? Is the firing pin sloppy? Is the breech block hole sloppy? Does the firing pin “float” so could it be a hammer/spring issue? Any ideas would be most welcome.
    Attachment 246126
    This primer show the burr with a min book load.
    ----------------------------------------------------------
    Attachment 246127
    This load is .5 grain below book max. The primer indent flowed into the firing pin hole & was rubbed flat when the breech block was lowered. (The red is from a marker I used to ID my loads.)
    Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

  2. #2
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    VA
    Posts
    125
    If the firing pin hole is too large for the firing pin (or conversely the firing pin worn/too small for the hole), primer material can flow like what is shown in your pictures. If it is doing that with minimum loads, with a variety of primers . . . That’s your problem. You can either install a bushing in the breechblock, or examine the firing pin, and perhaps have a slightly oversized firing pin made. That is usually easier than boring the breech for a bushing, and installing.

  3. #3
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    14,563
    .5 grn below max with a shorter throat or tighter neck may up pressures some. a worn firing pin or hole may allow flowback. if rebound light spring the actual ding would appear lighter and not the full dimple. Look at the face of the breech block firing pin hole under magnification for a light radius or worn edge to start. This can be caused by use also a few pierced primers blow back can cause this

  4. #4
    Boolit Master pertnear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Heart of Texas
    Posts
    668
    I was thinking that the first place to start would be to buy a new firing pin. Numrich shows a firing pin ($8) & a beech block ($47) but they both seem to be on perpetual back order. Is there another source for a firing pin?

    TIA for all your comments.
    Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

  5. #5
    Boolit Master gnostic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Somewhere over the rainbow...
    Posts
    697
    Quote Originally Posted by country gent View Post
    .5 grn below max with a shorter throat or tighter neck may up pressures some. a worn firing pin or hole may allow flowback. if rebound light spring the actual ding would appear lighter and not the full dimple. Look at the face of the breech block firing pin hole under magnification for a light radius or worn edge to start. This can be caused by use also a few pierced primers blow back can cause this
    I've blown primers with lesser loads, because the bullet was seated touching the lands.

  6. #6
    Boolit Master pertnear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Heart of Texas
    Posts
    668
    Quote Originally Posted by gnostic View Post
    I've blown primers with lesser loads, because the bullet was seated touching the lands.
    Yes, I have popped a primer due to zero freebore too. But it's hard to tell from the photo's but the edges of the primers are not flattened & head expansion seems nominal. The bullets are seated .010" away from touching riflings. There are two different types of brass available in this caliber - with large or small primers. I use SR primers with the thickest cups at .025". In the pictures are Rem 7-1/2 BR primers. All LR primers have a cup thickness of .027" & they exhibit the same problem.
    Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

  7. #7
    Boolit Master gnostic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Somewhere over the rainbow...
    Posts
    697
    Quote Originally Posted by pertnear View Post
    Yes, I have popped a primer due to zero freebore too. But it's hard to tell from the photo's but the edges of the primers are not flattened & head expansion seems nominal. The bullets are seated .010" away from touching riflings. There are two different types of brass available in this caliber - with large or small primers. I use SR primers with the thickest cups at .025". In the pictures are Rem 7-1/2 BR primers. All LR primers have a cup thickness of .027" & they exhibit the same problem.
    You're right, if the pressure was too high for whatever reasons, the radius on the primer would be gone. Did case extraction feel normal? The case head doesn't look like the pressure was too high...
    Last edited by gnostic; 08-02-2019 at 05:30 PM.

  8. #8
    Boolit Master pertnear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    Heart of Texas
    Posts
    668
    Case extraction was normal. Extractor kicked the cases out with ease. BTW: I was shooting in 100 degree Texas heat too.
    Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.

  9. #9
    Boolit Buddy Reverend Recoil's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Louisiana
    Posts
    379
    The firing pin on the Ruger No.1 is tipped up at a slight angle to the center of the barrel. For this reason I think your firing pin marks are normal.
    DRB #2276 President's Hundred 2021

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check