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Thread: 777 for .44 Russian - Where can I find Loading Tables?

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    777 for .44 Russian - Where can I find Loading Tables?

    I am not finding any Loading Tables for "777" and Metallic Cartridges.

    Hodgdon's web site only seems to have run-arounds, dead ends, or to divert me to other Propellants.

    If I understand correctly, 777 Granules will equal a Black Powder Load, if one uses 15 percent less by Volume, of it, than of the Black Powder.

    I have this worked out for Loading some .44 Russian, but I did want to see what the Loading Tables have to say.

    Where are the Loading Tables for '777' and Hand Gun Cartridges?

    Thanks!

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    You won't find any. I loaded some 10.6x25R for my 1883 Reichsrevolver using shortened cases and some Hodgdon 777. Don't remember how I came up with a load for it, but it took a lot of research and reading before I decided on a load. Anyway, ended up going with a load of Unique because it was more accurate than the 777.

    https://www.shootersforum.com/blackp...artridges.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeynick39 View Post
    You won't find any. I loaded some 10.6x25R for my 1883 Reichsrevolver using shortened cases and some Hodgdon 777. Don't remember how I came up with a load for it, but it took a lot of research and reading before I decided on a load. Anyway, ended up going with a load of Unique because it was more accurate than the 777.

    https://www.shootersforum.com/blackp...artridges.html

    Ahhhhh...well...shucks...

    I could have sworn they used to have Published Loading Tables for "777"...I remember reading through them about 10 or 12 years ago when I was using "777" for .38 Special and .45 Colt.

    Thanks for the Link!

    I just want some Target Rounds for use at the indoor Range, where they of course do not allow Black Powder.

    So, I can reduce even below the 15 percent calculation ( volume to volume ) and be just fine I expect.

    I weighed my 23 Grains of BP, noted the volume in the Case...took a 2nd Case, put in that volume of '777'...

    Weighed that volume of the '777'...

    Did the math on what 85 percent of that weight of the 'equal volume' of '777' would be...to determine the ( "15 percent less" ) '777' Charge.

    I'll do it again now and elect an 80 percent instead, since really I am just going to be doing Paper Target at 25 Yards, so, this ought to be just fine.

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    Good afternoon
    Are you loading for a repro or an original ?
    Personally I would not load any substitute powder in an original. And 777 with no loading data could mean your expensive original, especially a S&W, is now worth far less than a repro. The substitutes can get compression sensitive real fast.
    I have loaded 777 in a repro muzzle loader revolver. Working up the load slow when it reached the "oops" to much the recoil and blast was well beyond reasonable. Be careful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by missionary5155 View Post
    Good afternoon
    Are you loading for a repro or an original ?
    Personally I would not load any substitute powder in an original. And 777 with no loading data could mean your expensive original, especially a S&W, is now worth far less than a repro. The substitutes can get compression sensitive real fast.
    I have loaded 777 in a repro muzzle loader revolver. Working up the load slow when it reached the "oops" to much the recoil and blast was well beyond reasonable. Be careful.
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    Original...a "New Model 3" S & W.

    I ended up going with 13.5 Grains of '777', which is quite a bit less than the volume I would have had, if I had elected to use 85 percent by Volume, of what the 23 Grains of Black Powder volume would have been.

    182 Grain flat front Wadcutter for the Boolits...so, quite a bit lighter than the 246 Grain of the original Loadings.

    I compressed by hand, just pressing the Boolit so it would be to depth and lined up for the crimp, so, just a nice push with between Thumb and bend index Finger knuckle...and Crimped on the Loading Press, so, the compression was/is mild.

    Ten years ago or so, I was loading .38 Special with '777' and I just put in as much in to the Case, as would end up being compressed a little bit ( 1/16th of an inch or so ) in seating the Bullet...those all seemed fine, normal, regular.

    It turns out I could not really fit the '85 percent' by Volume, of '777' of what 23 Grains of Black Powder volume would be, without the Bullet having too little room to fit far enough in to reach the Crimp location...so, if only compressing '777' a tiny bit, there would not even be enough room in the case for the '85%' of the Black Powder volume, of it...and to still seat a Bullet to normal depth.

    So I elected to reduce the volume of '777'.

    These Cartridges are just for fun, and to plink a little at an indoor Range ( where they do not allow Black Powder ) so mild-ish Loadings are fine.

    If you think this is not a good idea to use '777' for this, I can inertia-pull the Boolits from the Cartridges I have prepared, put the Powder back in the container, save it for something else...and just not use the '777' for my old S & W .44 Russian Revolver...or, I have a Colt 'New Service" I would use them in.

    I have a few Hundred nice Black Powder Cartridges done up for the old New Model 3...just no where to shoot them! Lol...
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    Can you describe the nature of your 13.5 grs of 777 as to how it shoots, force of the discharge, ?how stressful it appears to the gun, etc. Very interested on loads for old S&W's top breaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 725 View Post
    Can you describe the nature of your 13.5 grs of 777 as to how it shoots, force of the discharge, ?how stressful it appears to the gun, etc. Very interested on loads for old S&W's top breaks.
    If I elect to keep them and try them, sure...

    Lol...

    Now I am feeling all flustered about whether to just pull the Boolits and say the heck with it...

    We'll see...

    If I end up using these Cartridges I'll be glad to report back with my "Range Report".

    Unless things are way outside of what they should be, these would be pretty mild Loads, and likely be not much above half the energy of the original Black Powder Loading.

    Otherwise, if you have a place to shoot outdoors, just use Black Powder!

    It is by far my very most favorite for any Hand Gun Cartridge which was originally a Black Powder Cartridge.

    I have not fired my 'New Model 3' yet to have any feel for 'standard' Loading, to compare these Loads to, far as that goes.

    I need to find my Chrongraph also ( even though there is no way to use it with the indoor Range )...I had it sitting next to my Desk for Months, then did a heroic House Cleaning for out of Town guests, no idea where I put it! Eeeeesh!

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