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    Lee Bullet Mold for Ruger Old Army Black Powder 45 Cal

    What Lee Bullet Mold for Ruger Old Army Black Powder 45 cal would work?

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    there are a couple of Lee moulds, the 447rb mould is part number 90444, and the conical will both work.. there are lots of others as well, but for lee, those 2 are a good start... the conicals are 90382 at 200g and 90384 at 220g... the round ball offering from lee is designed specifically for the ruger old army i think.

    good luck, hope that helps...

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    I took this 7 point buck with the ROA and the Lee 220 conical. Essentially, a fifteen yard "bang-flop".

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    Load was 35 Grains of Pyrodex "P", Oxyoke Wonder Wad, Lee 220 Conical,topped with Wonder Seal lube cake. Load was 35 Grains of Pyrodex "P", Oxyoke Wonder Wad, Lee 220 Conical, topped with Wonder Seal lube cake.

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    I pulled this article off of the Ruger forum, a lot of good info here. I use both the 200 and 250 gr Real boolits in my ROA.

    RE: Best Loads for the Ruger Old Army
    Best Loads for the Ruger Old Army

    By C.E. Harris

    Round balls are still the best choice for general use in either
    light or heavy loads. They are easy to cast, accurate, and
    effective for small game. A round ball at higher velocity is a
    better killer and more accurate than the conicals. I see no good
    reason to use the conical bullets at all in cap & ball revolvers.
    There are other, better options, if you want a heavier bullet than
    a ball.

    The Lee 200-gr. REAL is the best choice for a wadcutter bullet in
    most .44 cap & ball revolvers. Its tapered dimensions are
    adaptable to a variety of chamber diameters and it is easy to load.
    A charge of 20-25 grs. bulk measure of FFFg or Pyrodex P, using a
    .38 Special or .357 case for a measure approximates the ballistics
    of .45 ACP wadcutter ammunition. In the Ruger Old Army or Colt
    Walker replicas, 30-35 grs. bulk measure of black powder or
    Pyrodex, using a .44 Special or .44 Magnum case for a measure fills
    the chambers, leaving enough room to seat the bullet properly over
    a wad. This load produces 2 to 2-1/2" groups at 25 yards, about
    900 f.p.s. and 360 ft.-lbs. of energy.

    The 250-gr. REAL bullet can be used with good effect in the Ruger
    Old Army and Colt Walker replicas. It is both highly accurate and
    authoritative when the chambers are filled to capacity with 30 grs.
    bulk measure (a .44 Special case full) of black powder or Pyrodex
    and no wad. This load produces 880-980 f.p.s., depending upon the
    powder type and granulation, groups of 2" at 25 yards and generates
    energies from 430-530 ft/lbs! You don't need an over-powder wad
    with the 250 REAL in the Old Army when loading more than 25 grs.
    bulk measure (a .357 Magnum case full).

    A wadcutter bullet can be sized and pre-lubricated like a
    conventional bullet, eliminating the need to apply grease over the
    ball. The bullet diameter should be 0.0015" larger than the
    largest chamber. This makes loading easy, while ensuring a
    positive seal for safety and a tight fit so that the bullets don't
    creep forward in recoil with heavy loads. I lubricate REAL bullets
    for my Old Army in a .454" sizer, and fill the grooves with a soft
    home-made lube made from 50-50 paraffin and Vaseline, with either
    4 oz. of heavy white mineral oil or RCBS Case Lube II added per
    pound. This is easier to use and stiffer than Crisco, doesn't melt
    in hot weather, and keeps the gun clean.

    With Hodgdon Pyrodex it is essential that the charge be compressed
    to eliminate all airspace, otherwise hangfires or misfires will
    occur. With charges less than 20 grains bulk measure in the
    replicas or 25 grains in the Old Army, a full stroke of the rammer
    is inadequate to compress the charge unless a wad or other filler
    is used. It is necessary to place a felt wad over the powder
    charge, seat it to the maximum depth of the rammer and pour Farina
    or Cream of Wheat, (dispensed from a catsup bottle) to fill the
    chambers, then spin the cylinder to strike the filler off level
    before seating the ball. If using enlongated bullets fill the
    chambers to within 1/4" of the top. Seat the ball normally, with
    a firm stroke in which you should feel the charge compress before
    the end of the rammer stroke.

    With black powder, failure to compress the powder results in lower
    velocities, greater velocity variation and vertical stringing.
    When using over 20 grains bulk measure in the 1860 Colt or 1858
    Remingtons, or 25 grs. in the Ruger Old Army, an Ox-Yoke wad by
    itself over the powder is adequate. With lighter charges, use
    Farina or Cream of Wheat also. A wad isn't necessary with heavier
    charges, but accuracy is better, velocities are higher, the bore
    leads less and the gun is far easier to clean afterwards.

    The loads in the table used backstop scrap from .38 wadcutter and
    .22 rimfire bullets, 8 BHN, containing 1.5% antimony and 0.3% tin.
    The results speak for themselves. Pure lead IS NOT ESSENTIAL!
    Traditional wisdom states that the sprue of a round ball must be
    placed up and centered for uniformity. If your mould produces a
    distinct shoulder around the cut-off, this is true. This
    precaution is unnecessary with balls cast in Lee moulds, which are
    round any way you want to measure them. I never pay any attention
    to the sprue. They shoot fine, so another myth bites the dust!

    When the rear sight is bottomed out, on my Old Army, Ruger's
    recommended load of 20 grs. of FFFg, strikes high in the ten-ring
    of the 25-yard Timed and Rapid-Fire pistol target. A heavier load
    of 35 grs. of FFFg hits at 12:00 in the nine ring. Heavier bullets
    strike at the upper edge of the paper. The Ruger's front sight needs
    to be 0.080" higher to permit greater flexibility in loads.

    The Ruger Old Army is the finest cap & ball revolver ever produced.
    Properly managed, it can be either a precision target arm or a
    powerful hunting gun. The Ruger is far superior to anything else
    out there. Mine is more accurate than any modern cartridge
    revolver I've owned, except for "tricked out" custom target guns.
    I know a half dozen other Old Army owners who feel the same way,
    and know mine is not a fluke. I attribute this to the Ruger's
    cylinder throats being smooth, round and ideally dimensioned,
    .452", compared to a barrel groove diameter of .451". In addition,
    the gun is perfectly timed, and the forcing cone smooth and
    concentric. A well turned out percussion revolver gives better
    bullet-to-bore alignment than a cartridge gun, because the bullet
    is an exact fit to the chambers. In a cartridge gun the bullet and
    cartridge must be somewhat smaller than the chambers to enter
    freely, and there is always some misalignment and deformation.

    When shooting black powder, bore condition is critical to maintain
    accuracy. A load which groups 2" when fired from a clean bore will
    double its group size within 30 rounds, if the bore is not cleaned.
    Competitors using black powder, as opposed to Pyrodex, brush the
    bore and chambers each time they reload, to maintain a consistent
    bore condition. Cleaning during a shooting session is unnecessary
    when using Pyrodex.

    Black powder varies in quality and strength, even between different
    lots of the same brand and granulation, so your results are not
    repeatable over time. The Goex FFFg black powder used in the table
    is of 1993 production and the stronger of two batches I tested.
    Another lot of the same brand and granulation, old, gave over 100
    f.p.s. lower velocity with the same charges. This is typical
    experience with black powder. I prefer Pyrodex because it gives
    better ballistic uniformity, less fouling, improved accuracy and
    permits higher velocities while maintaining accuracy.

    "Best Loads" For the Ruger Old Army
    Average of Five, 6-Shot Groups at 25 yards, sandbag rests, Ox Yoke
    wads over powder, and Lee Case Lube over ball unless otherwise stated.

    BULLET POWDER CASE VEL@10' Avg. ES (ins.)
    WEIGHT/TYPE DIPPER (f.p.s.)

    .457 RB 20 FFFg .32-20 801, 43 Sd 1.84
    Ruger's Recommended Load, no wad, Farina fill

    .457 RB, 16.5 P .32-20 911, 22 Sd 1.91
    Farina fill (20 grs. bulk measure)

    .457 RB, 20 RS 44 Spl. 883, 30 Sd 1.80
    No fill (30 grs. bulk measure)

    .457 RB 30 FFFg .44 Spl. 971, 15 Sd 2.00
    wad, no fill

    .457 RB 35 FFFg .44 Mag. 1010, 9 Sd 2.13

    .457 RB 30 RS .30-30 1201, 27 Sd 2.53
    no wad, no fill (41 grs. bulk measure)

    200 REAL 25 FFFg .357 Mag. 864, 7 Sd 2.01

    200 REAL 20 RS .44 Spl. 836, 29 Sd 1.91
    No fill (30 grs. bulk measure)

    200 REAL 30 FFFg .44 Spl. 882, 16 Sd 2.13

    200 REAL 25 RS .44 Mag. 914, 41 Sd 1.82
    No fill (35 grs. bulk measure)

    200 REAL 35 FFFg .44 Mag. 1017, 15 Sd 1.89
    no wad, no fill (35 grs. bulk measure)

    250 REAL 30 FFFg .44 Spl. 882, 12 Sd 1.60
    No wad, no fill

    250 REAL 25 RS 44 Mag. 913, 32 Sd 2.03
    No wad, no fill (35 grs. bulk measure)

    250 REAL 24 P 44 Spl. 982, 28 Sd 1.94
    No wad, no fill (30 grs.)


    Date: 09 Jan 94 11:46:57
    From: Ed Harris
    To: Nolan Lee
    Subj: Old Army Question

    Loads for Ruger's Old Army:

    Ruger's instruction book recommends a light target load of 20
    grs. of FFFg, and filling the remainder of the chamber with
    corn meal or Cream of Wheat to take up the airspace.

    Round balls should be .457" diameter, to ensure an adequate
    cylindrical bearing surface is formed on the ball to take the
    rifling. Soft, bevel-based .45 ACP lead semi-wadcutters such
    as the Saeco #131 or H&G #130BB may be used if .453" diameter
    or larger. This is required so they fit the chambers
    tightly to prevent their creeping forward from recoil. I
    find the .45 ACP wadcutters are more accurate than the
    traditional blackpowder conicals.

    As the gun comes from the factory, the sights are best suited
    for use with round balls. Ruger's recommended load of 20
    grs. of FFFg strikes high in the ten-ring of the 25-yard
    Timed and Rapid-Fire pistol target. A heavier load of 35
    grs. of FFFg hits at 12:00 in the nine ring. Heavier bullets
    of 200 grains or more strike at the upper edge of the paper.
    The Ruger's front sight really needs to be 0.080'-0.090"
    higher to permit greater flexibility in loads, as the heavier
    bullets are truly accurate and provide greater energy for
    hunting loads.

    The Lee 200-gr. .45 cal. R.E.A.L. is more accurate than
    traditional round-nosed conicals, cuts clean holes in target
    paper and is of tapered design so it is easy to load. It
    shoots accurately with the same charges used for round balls
    in the Old Army. I lubricate REAL bullets for my Old Army in
    a .454" sizer, and either fill the grooves with a soft stick
    lubricant or tumble them in Lee Liquid Alox. Both methods
    work well.

    A charge of 20-25 grs. bulk measure of FFFg or Pyrodex P,
    (Lee 1.3cc or 1.6cc measure) with the 200 R.E.A.L.
    approximates the ballistics of .45 ACP wadcutter ammunition.
    For a heavy hunting load 30-35 grs. bulk measure of FFFg,
    Pyrodex RS or P (Lee 1.9cc or 2.2 cc measure), fills the
    chambers when a wad is used, produces 2 to 2-1/2" groups at
    25 yards and 850-1000 f.p.s., depending upon the powder used.

    The 250-gr. Lee R.E.A.L. bullet is highly accurate and
    authoritative from the Ruger Old Army with 30-35 grs. bulk
    measure (a Lee 1.9cc or 2.2cc measure full) of FFFg black
    powder, RS or P-grade Pyrodex. The 2.2cc measure fills the
    chambers to capacity without using a wad, produces 880-980
    f.p.s., depending upon the powder type and granulation and
    averages 2" groups or less at 25 yards.

    --- Load Tables Continue next message ---


    In Home Mix We Trust, Regards, Ed



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    Date: 09 Jan 94 12:21:36
    From: Ed Harris
    To: Nolan Lee
    Subj: Loadfs for the Old Army

    Black Powder Loads For the Ruger Old Army
    Average of Five, 6-Shot Groups at 25 yards from sandbag rests
    CCI Caps, Ox Yoke wads.

    BULLET GOEX VEL@10' EXTREME SPREAD (ins.)
    FFFg (f.p.s.) Smallest Largest Average
    (grs.) Goex Powder lot
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    143-gr., .457" Lee Round Ball
    fill+wad 20 801, 43 Sd 1.76 1.93 1.84
    wad only 25 738, 31 Sd 1.99 2.58 2.24 92MY20B
    931, 32 Sd 1.42 2.40 1.88 93JA12B
    30 971, 15 Sd 1.79 2.20 2.00
    35 1010, 9 Sd 1.50 3.96 2.13
    41 1041, 10 Sd 2.46 4.50 3.46 92MY20B
    1228, Sd 27 2.22 4.14 3.36 93JA12B
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    200-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.
    wad 20 699, 25 Sd 1.75 1.96 1.81
    25 864, 7 Sd 1.06 2.55 2.01
    no wad 30 685, 38 Sd 1.85 2.66 2.23 92MY20B
    882, 12 Sd 1.78 2.66 2.13 93JA12B
    35 852, 12 Sd 1.20 3.0 2.20 92MY20B
    1017, 15 Sd 1.59 2.57 1.89 93JA12B
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    250-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.

    wad 20 672, 12 Sd 1.91 3.0 2.39
    25 781, 31 Sd 2.04 2.56 2.22
    no wad 30 882, 12 Sd 1.30 2.14 1.60
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    Unless otherwise stated, all black powder tests above were based
    upon firing Goex FFFg of lot 93JA12B. Two charge levels were
    repeated with the 143-gr. round ball and again with the 200-gr.
    Lee R.E.A.L. using a different powder lot 92MY20B. This was done
    to illustrate that black powder of the same brand and granulation
    is subject to variations. The results in this brief test
    represent the maximum lot-to-lot variation an individual user is
    expected to encounter.

    Hodgdon Pyrodex RS Loads For the Ruger Old Army
    Average of Five, 6-Shot Groups at 25 yards from sandbag rests
    CCI caps, Ox Yoke wads.

    BULLET Pyro.RS BULK VEL@10' EXTREME SPREAD (ins.)
    Wt/Type ACTUAL BP (f.p.s.) Smallest Largest Average
    (grs.) (grs.))
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    143-gr. .457" Lee Round Ball
    wad, fill 16 22 725, 30Sd 1.93 2.71 2.40
    wad, no fill 20 30 883, 30Sd 1.21 2.52 1.80
    25 35 947, 26Sd 2.17 2.68 2.42
    no wad/fill 30 41 1201, 27Sd 2.29 3.18 2.53

    200-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.
    wad, no fill 20 30 836, 29Sd 1.28 2.42 1.91
    25 35 914, 41Sd 1.08 2.43 1.82
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    220-gr. Lee Round-Nosed Conical
    wad, fill 16 22 714, 16Sd 1.73 3.17 2.34
    wad, no fill 20 30 815, 25Sd 2.23 3.16 2.73
    wad, no fill 25 35 889, 27Sd 2.01 2.99 2.57
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    250-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.
    no wad/fill 25 35 913, 32Sd 1.81 2.17 2.03

    Hodgdon Pyrodex P Loads For the Ruger Old Army
    Average of Five, 6-Shot Groups at 25 yards from sandbag rests
    CCI caps, Ox Yoke wads

    BULLET Pyro. P BULK VEL@10' EXTREME SPREAD (ins.)
    Wt/Type ACTUAL BP (f.p.s.) Smallest Largest Average
    (grs.) (grs.))
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    143-gr. .457" Lee Round Ball
    wad, fill 16.5 20 851, 11Sd 1.62 2.10 1.91
    18 22 884, 14Sd 1.66 2.41 1.94
    wad, no fill 21 25 942, 19Sd 1.59 2.3 2.00
    24 30 985, 22Sd 1.77 4.85 2.86
    29 35 1117, 51Sd 2.15 3.91 2.87
    33 41 1189, 31Sd 2.15 4.65 3.32
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    200-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.
    wad, fill 16.5 20 816, 13Sd 1.73 2.74 2.12
    18 22 860, 14Sd 1.66 2.41 1.91
    wad, no fill 21 25 940, 31Sd 1.45 2.51 2.02
    24 30 1002, 12Sd 2.03 3.17 2.55
    no wad/ 29 35 1123, 22Sd 1.98 2.85 2.44
    -----------------------------------------------------------------
    250-gr. Lee R.E.A.L.
    wad, fill 16.5 20 759, 9Sd 1.41 2.0 1.76
    18 22 781, 16Sd 2.02 2.69 2.40
    wad, no fill 21 25 876, 12Sd 1.68 2.08 1.83
    24 30 982, 28Sd 1.61 2.69 1.94

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    FWIW, Arkansas will only allow conicals for deer hunting. Could probably get away with the REALS.

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