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Thread: Moose with a 20G sabot?

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    I have killed 10 animals with my savage 220 in the last 2 years, 3 deer and 7 hogs but the biggest was only 150 lbs. In fact the first shot was a "twofer" passing through the hog I was shooting at a little high and hitting a small hog behind it in the throat severing the jugular. All home rolled stuff. But an 800 lb animal is in another league. I'm confident that inside of 50 yds it would be lethal. At 100 yds I can shoot it accurately but you've lost a lot of energy from a ballistically challenged projectile starting out at 1700 fps. There would certainly be no exit and a one-lunger would be a real possibility. An '06 with a 180 gr soft point would be my first choice. Borrow one well in advance of your hunt and get real familiar with it! Good luck. You're gonna need a bigger freezer!
    PS: don't know anything avout store bought sabots but would be leery of them too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Inside of 100 yards, a 20 gauge slug gun will stomp a 30-06. Extra range might come in handy with a rifle, but calling a slug gun a stunt is taking it too far. Tens of thousands of people still hunt with bows and arrows. Thousands hunt with handguns. Muzzleloader hunting is as popular as ever.
    Remember these aren't grand pappies slug guns. They are 260gr ballistic tipped copper jacketed rounds traveling at close to 2,000ftps from a very accurate rifled barrel. I am confident that it would do the job with proper shot placement and a reasonable distance. My biggest issue would be hitting the shoulder/leg and not getting enough penetration.

    Remington Premier AccuTip Bonded Sabot Slug Ammunition:
    Power Port™ Tip delivers dramatically superior accuracy

    Spiral nose cuts and proprietary bonding technology control expansion at all ranges from 5 to 200 yards

    Over 95% weight retention – weighs more after impact than all the others start with!

    Slug jacket made from high-strength cartridge brass

    2 Whitetails taken at 300yrds cleanly with 20ga Remington sabot shotgun "slugs". https://youtu.be/mD6ZBruKXGI?t=71

    This is the "slug"


    BTW I still vote to borrow a rifle
    Last edited by NyFirefighter357; 07-11-2019 at 12:13 AM.

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    A good practise test is to put claybirds at 20-120 yards and shoot them fast in a row.

    Most people find it easier with a rifle. My closest moose shot has been ten yards,30-06 Norma oryx,big hole through lungs. The moose went half a mile,full of adrenalin from being chased.

    I see many favour shotguns. If it works,fine. Where I live, a shotgun won't meet the 100 m power requirements either so if you shoot a moose with a shotgun you lose your hunting rights,guns and go to jail.

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    http://www.hausofarms.com/SPECIALS_c_2066-2.html You are in luck. Hausofarms has several barrels in calibers suited for moose. I was in Maine for a week last fall hunting hare and we saw moose everyday . Good luck with your hunt.

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    If you cannot borrow a rifle, buy a cheap one and sell it after the hunt. You will not lose much on it.

    If you have never seen a moose, they are huge.
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    I too, have a Mossberg M220. I’ve used home cast Lyman 375gr Sabot slugs, and Federal 5/8oz Sabot slugs to kill deer. It works, on 100-200lb deer. However, a 8pt buck stopped a 5/8oz Federal sabot slug from a frontal hit. I recovered the slug, expanded to nearly 1”. It’s currently sighted in with the previously pictured Remington AeroTip slugs. Real tack-driver. In December,I’ll tell you how good they work on deer.

    I’ll grant that you can kill a moose with a 20ga Sabot. However, I’m nervous considering penetration on a moose being adequate.

    I too vote to borrow, beg or buy a .30/06 and a box of 180 or 200gr Nosler Partition Federal Premium ammo. Sight it in for 3”high at 200yds, go hunting!!!

    btw, I’ve bear and moose hunted in nearby New Brunswick, Canada. I took my .30/06...

    A moose, is basically a mule, on stilts!!!
    But, ohhh, so good eating!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Discus420 View Post
    I have a nice mauser in 308 I can sell you for 300$ that will stop a moose without worries I have a C&R FFL license so you can get it by Friday
    wyates@q.com you can make payments if you like
    Let's help the man get a rifle. I will donate $50 for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    Almost every gun enthusiast has an extra .30-06 or similar sitting around. If I were your neighbor, I'd loan you one for as long as you needed it to get ready and have a successful hunt. Surely someone you know close would do the same and with a .30-06 or bigger, it would remove any doubt about capability of the weapon.
    What he said....not much of a profile...where are you? Fill-out the profile if it isn't a secret. You might have neighbors here! Some of us may have a few firearms that could be lent out. I have a 06 or a 338WM that I would like to say helped harvest a moose.
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    [QUOTE=A shotgun won't meet the 100 m power requirements either so if you shoot a moose with a shotgun you lose your hunting rights,guns and go to jail.[/QUOTE]

    I just did the math my 12ga rifled shotgun with Hornady SST's meets the 100m 2000 joules requirement.

    If the firearm is used for shooting moose or bear, the cartridge bullet must weigh at least 9 grams, and the bullet scoring energy when measured 100 metres from the muzzle must be at least 2700 joules (E 100 > 2700 J) or, when a bullet weighs at least 10 grams, the scoring energy measured in a similar manner must be at least 2000 joules (E 100 > 2000 J).
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    Okay now. I say drop the gimmicks. Gimmicks being all the newfangled crap (aerotip, blah, whatever, blah, made up hype, blah) that is designed to extend the range of of your shotgun on DEER sized game. The old standard 7/8 oz 20 ga slug is about 375gr @ about 1450fps and .615ish diameter. Compare that to the good old .45-70 Springfield load of 405 gr @about 1250fps (ish) That was responsible for the near extinction of the American bison.

    If you can't borrow an '06 or similar (8 mauser, etc) I say the 20 ga, especially with full bore slugs, used within an appropriate range will do the job with no regrets. The rifle however will definitely extend your maximum range.

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    Here’s a camo Ruger American 30-06 for $319

    https://www.cdnnsports.com/rugerr-am...l#.XTTyd8pOmhA

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    The problem with most 20ga slugs is that they are soft pure lead and are hollow point or hollow base. There isn’t much sectional density, such as with a .45/70. I don’t have any confidence that a 20 or 12ga slug will penetrate sufficiently on all but ideal shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GooseGestapo View Post
    The problem with most 20ga slugs is that they are soft pure lead and are hollow point or hollow base. There isn’t much sectional density, such as with a .45/70. I don’t have any confidence that a 20 or 12ga slug will penetrate sufficiently on all but ideal shots.
    These are not slugs they are essentially pistol or rifle bullets. My Hornady SST's sabot rounds use the 500 S&W Magnum 300 gr FTX bullets at a velocity of 2,000fps.
    Last edited by NyFirefighter357; 07-26-2019 at 12:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyFirefighter357 View Post
    These are not slugs they are essentially pistol or rifle bullets. My Hornady SST's sabot rounds use the 500 S&W Magnum 300 gr FTX bullets at a velocity of 2,000fps.
    Exactly. This wouldn't even be a thread if someone was going to go out hunting with a big Smith and Wesson X frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Exactly. This wouldn't even be a thread if someone was going to go out hunting with a big Smith and Wesson X frame.
    BINGO!

    A lot of folks are unaware of the advances in slug offerings twenty five years or so.
    More "This is what happened when I,,,,," and less "What would happen if I,,,,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Exactly. This wouldn't even be a thread if someone was going to go out hunting with a big Smith and Wesson X frame.
    got that right
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ithaca View Post
    Newbie here... first post.

    I pulled a moose tag for Maine this Fall!!!
    Not sure which season you got picked for but if it is for second season, good luck tomorrow! Let us know how it went.

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    hope your hunt is everything you hope for! Good luck and straight shooting no matter your choice!

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    ONCE IN A LIFETIME is the operative phrase. A 35 Whelan or 300 Win Mag barrel would be my choice if I was running a Contender/Encore. I would try to borrow an 06 or 308 at the lower end. Shooting a bunch of deer doesn't make a moose or elk rifle. Shoot what will work when things are not PERFECT, if every hunting scenario was 'PERFECT' we could all use 22's. I've shot about 20 elk, 1 moose, all but 1 cow elk were killed with the first shot, but several were shot multiple times because they DID NOT fall down when hit. Shoot straight and KEEP SHOOTING until the animal falls or is out of sight. Moose or elk can go a long ways after they have been killed.

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    I am another one that runs a Savage 220.
    I would have no problems using the 220 for deer but would not consider it adequate for mouse. As others have said buy or borrow a rifle. I also wouldn't use a single shot. I'd want to put as many rounds into the Moose as fast as possible to put it down.
    Good luck and please let us know what you decided on and how the hunt went.

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