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    Illinois: House Passes FOID Fee Increase & Mandatory Fingerprinting SB1966

    For those of us that live in Illinois...this legislation takes away many rights and much more difficult to get an FOID or renew. IMHO is goes against the 2nd amendment, as it is definitely an infringement.

    Illinois: House Passes FOID Fee Increase & Mandatory Fingerprinting

    Criminalize private transfers, with violations being punished as a Class 4 felony.
    Require the recipient of a firearm gifted by a family member to call into Illinois State Police within 60 days to run a background check on themselves, even though they must already hold a FOID.
    Allow for the indefinite delay of firearm transfers. Currently, federal law allows a licensed firearm dealer (FFL) to release a firearm after three business days if they have not received any additional correspondence after receiving a “delay” when conducting the initial background check for a firearm transfer. This safeguard prevents the potential shutdown of sales via endless delays and allows law-abiding individuals to take possession of a firearm in a timely manner.
    Mandate FOID applicants submit fingerprints, including for renewals, which would not add anything of investigative value.
    Increase FOID processing time from one calendar month to thirty business days, which can span more than six weeks.
    Reduce the duration of the FOID from ten years to five while also increasing the application fee from $10 to $20, resulting in a significant increase in the cost to maintain a FOID for the same amount of time.
    Require FOID applicants pay all costs for fingerprinting and processing the background check, totaling around $150 on top of the application fee.
    Prohibit those with a revoked FOID from transferring firearms to another FOID card holders in the same household and also take away the right to self-defense from individuals due to the alleged actions of someone else in their household.
    Require the owner of the seized firearms to petition the court to have them transferred to a third party.

    You should contact your State Senator to oppose this bill while there's time. I

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    Executive Directors Message

    The situation leading up to and including SB1966 and its various amendments that now become the bill has been deceitful and slimy to say the least. SB1966 is an out and out attack on the Second Amendment and the private ownership of firearms. The excuse for filing SB1966 was the shooting that occurred in Aurora earlier this year. Of course, in the end, SB1966 does nothing about that.

    In the beginning, Representative Kathleen Willis, Queen of the anti-gun mob, called for a meeting which included all stakeholders. The ISRA and the NRA were there as well as representatives from the police, Cook County State’s Attorney, and the anti-gun side. The ISRA and the NRA did not tell Representative Willis what she wanted to hear and we were never invited back. We were never informed of any more meetings but we know they did occur because some of our friendly legislators relayed that to us, those who Willis couldn’t kick out.

    The Judiciary Committee hearing on Monday, Memorial Day, was classic shadow government theater. Amendments to SB1966, HFA 2 and HFA3 were to be heard in the Judiciary Committee. These two amendments lower the price of the FOID card, fix prices dealers can charge for a transfer, and fix prices that fingerprint vendors can charge. They also take $20,000,000 out of the IDNR over 10 years by cutting out their share of the FOID card fee. While fixing prices might sound good it actually forces people to work so cheap that they will simply not do it or go broke. Either way, this is government price fixing. If a couple of local gas stations did this they would be fined severely. Another way of looking at it is this is a type of theft of services by the state. The goal here is to make it harder, if not impossible, for you to exercise your Second Amendment Rights.

    The Judiciary Committee is made up of 19 legislators. To pass a bill, 10 yes votes are needed; to defeat a bill, 10 no votes are needed. The permanent members of the Judiciary Committee are 7 Republicans and 10 Democrats. The good news is that some of those Democrats are pro-gun. For the lobbying team it was a doable task to get 10 no votes, if nobody tampers with the makeup of the Judiciary Committee. Not easy but doable. The Speaker of the House can replace members of the Judiciary Committee or any other committee, for that matter, with temporary members. The President of the Senate can do the same thing.

    One of the first tasks a committee chairman does after calling the committee to order is read the substitutions, if any. As expected, after the Judiciary Committee was called to order, the Speaker substituted out all the pro-gun Democrats and replaced them with anti-gun Democrats. As I like to describe it, the fix was in. So much for the meaning of permanent in Springfield. We, of course, suspected this would happen. You are probably wondering why you went to all the trouble of filing witness slips. Those become a record that goes along with the bill. Heck, who knows, a court somewhere might be interested in that. You just never know. Thanks, by the way, you did a great job under lousy conditions.

    On Sunday, we saw the same thing happen in the Agriculture and Conservation Committee (Ag & Con) with HR398, a resolution calling for the banning of lead shot shells. Lead shot is a favorite target of the left. The Ag &Con Committee is a very pro-gun pro-hunting committee. Resolutions are not binding but passing HR398 Is a camel’s nose under the tent idea. Nevertheless, every pro-gun, pro-hunting Democrat was substituted out of the committee. The people who replaced them probably heard of farms or maybe have even driven by a farm while on the interstate.

    Wednesday was one of those very hard days in Springfield. Despite the arguments being on our side the left prevailed. SB1966 passed by four votes. It is now headed for The Senate. The vote should be an affront to all the law-abiding citizens of this state, FOID Card holders or not. The left wingers always claim that they are for the poor, the elderly and the disadvantaged, though all those people end up under the politically expedient bus. The bill now heads for the Illinois Senate for concurrence.

    Anyway, how do you change all this? 2020 is coming up. Every gun owner needs to vote. The ISRA will never abandon the fight for Second Amendment Rights for all Illinois Citizens. Remember the ISRA never gives up. We will simply reload and get back in the fight. Thanks for all your support.

    I don’t think the Governor and the General Assembly will, thankfully, get everything done by the 31st of May. We may be back this summer.

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    Mine expires this year and they have closed renewals on the ISP site. It expires 10/1 and I have yet to get one back on time, so wanted to start early... Guess the fix is in and they are not going to allow any lost revenue.

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    ... and as usual, the NRA seems to be too busy with begging for more money for their crooked executives. What a shame.
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    Yes, where were they when this was originally passed years ago? Illinois is the only Godforsaken state that has FOID requirement. The current legislature here seems more concerned with killing babies and allowing cannabis....but the right to bear arms is in the constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tom View Post
    ... and as usual, the NRA seems to be too busy with begging for more money for their crooked executives. What a shame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wally View Post
    Yes, where were they when this was originally passed years ago? Illinois is the only Godforsaken state that has FOID requirement. The current legislature here seems more concerned with killing babies and allowing cannabis....but the right to bear arms is in the constitution.
    as long as lapierre and the other big wigs are filling their pockets, they dont care.

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    Before you lay the blame at the feet of the NRA, consider that it would help if the people of Illinois would stop electing anti-gun democrats.
    The NRA didn't fail the people of Illinois; the people of Illinois failed.

    That bill still needs to make it through the Illinois state senate. So if you live in Illinois - now is the time to contact your state senator (even if you don't support him or her) and respectfully make your feelings known.

    If that fails, my only other advice is to vote with your feet and find a free state to live in.

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    I thought that a circuit court in IL had ruled against the state on a FOID issue, maybe the need to have a FOID for possession in the home, and that this was going to trigger a finding that the FoID requirement is entirely unconstitutional. Did this get derailed?

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    Petrol and powder nailed this one on the big fat head.
    Gun owners that do not vote are stupid. Gun owners that vote Democrat are worse than that.

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    It's very hard to beat the Dems in this State. CHICAGO IS THE PROBLEM.
    Downstate is not the issue
    I live in a sanctuary firearms county for whatever good that will do.

    All states will or may have issues in the future.

    What State is safe or safest to move into?

    NO ONE IS SAFE IN ANY STATES. WE MUST DEMAND VOTER ID. IT IS A MUST
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    I am not blaming the NRA at all - I am blaming "the people" in IL who now get what they voted for.

    I am concerned though, that even in the NRA's regular newsletters, magazines etc., there is not a single word about it, and their focus does not seem to be where it should be or at least, where I would like it to be. I would expect the NRA to go berserk over it and they seem to just sit it out, just like the bumpfire stock ban. In my world, that is supporting zero common sense, 100% anti-gun regulations that the NRA should prevent, or at a minimum attempt to prevent. That is where the NRA fails.

    Quote Originally Posted by Petrol & Powder View Post
    Before you lay the blame at the feet of the NRA, consider that it would help if the people of Illinois would stop electing anti-gun democrats.
    The NRA didn't fail the people of Illinois; the people of Illinois failed.

    That bill still needs to make it through the Illinois state senate. So if you live in Illinois - now is the time to contact your state senator (even if you don't support him or her) and respectfully make your feelings known.

    If that fails, my only other advice is to vote with your feet and find a free state to live in.
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    The NRA doesn't hold any seats in the Illinois House of Representatives or the Illinois Senate.

    If you think your money would be better applied elsewhere, you are free to leave the NRA.

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    ISRA Action Alert - SB1966 sitting in Senate Judiciary Committee


    In yesterday's House session, SB1966*. passed and went back to the Senate for concurrence on the three amendments.

    There was a Senate Judiciary Hearing today but the bill was not called.

    This action is requested of you:
    Call the Springfield office of your state senator, and ask that they oppose SB1966. You will likely be leaving a message, if the machine is full, try again, please.

    If you need to verify who your Illinois State Representative is, please use this lookup at the Illinois State Board of Elections.
    If you remember who your representative is, but don't know the phone number to call, you can use the above lookup tool or quickly find your legislator on the ILGA website. Representatives here, Senators here.

    This final week of scheduled session, we must have maximum effort from everyone.

    Your ISRA Lobbying Team will be there fighting for You.

    If you are receiving this alert and are not an ISRA member, please join and help support the fight to keep your 2nd Amendment Rights.

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    *Here's a refresher, reminding us why this is a bad bill, it's not just the price of the FOID card or required fingerprinting.

    The bill SB1966 would:
    Criminalize private transfers, with violations being punished as a Class 4 felony.
    Require the recipient of a firearm gifted by a family member to call into Illinois State Police within 60 days to run a background check on themselves, even though they must already hold a FOID.

    Mandate FOID applicants submit fingerprints, including for renewals, which would not add anything of investigative value.

    Increase new FOID processing time from one calendar month to thirty business days, which can span more than six weeks.

    Reduce the duration of the FOID from ten years to five while also increasing the application fee from $10 to $20, resulting in a significant increase in the cost to maintain a FOID for the same amount of time.

    Require FOID applicants pay all costs for fingerprinting and processing the background check, totaling around $150 on top of the application fee.

    Prohibit those with a revoked FOID from transferring firearms to someone in the same household, which would create confusion in determining the owner of the firearms and would take away the right to self-defense from individuals due to the alleged actions of someone else in their household.

    Require the owner of the seized firearms to petition the court to have them transferred to a third party.

    Cap the fee of the required FFL transfer at $10, and no FFL will perform such a task for $10.

    Cap the fee of the required fingerprints at $30, there are no vendors who will do this.

    As all firearms transfers would have to go through an FFL, existing Illinois Medical Marijuana patients would be unable to purchase a firearm, nor would they be able to have the FFL return a firearm to them in the event of a failed transfer to someone else. This is due to the questions on the ATF 4473 form.

    While ISRA has no position on the recreational marijuana issue currently before the Illinois Legislature, any future legal recreational users would also be unable to purchase firearms.

    Check out ISRA's website at www.isra.org! Tell us what you think!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    It's very hard to beat the Dems in this State. CHICAGO IS THE PROBLEM.
    Downstate is not the issue
    I live in a sanctuary firearms county for whatever good that will do.

    All states will or may have issues in the future.

    What State is safe or safest to move into?

    NO ONE IS SAFE IN ANY STATES. WE MUST DEMAND VOTER ID. IT IS A MUST
    Yep, it's hard to beat the dems. My state has 8 million people and 1 million live in one county.
    Many states have concentrations of liberal voters in cities that push the state in a liberal direction.

    Your choices are: 1. Give up and whine about it. 2. Fight the most effective flight you can. 3. Leave.

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    I would rather fix the problem I see as we need support through strong organizations. While GOA is getting stronger, they are still way behind what the NRA could do with their larger number of members. I completely understand that they don't have any direct influence, I would expect them to make this unconstitutional, 2nd amendment to the curb kicking behavior a major topic in the media, start a lawsuit against the state of IL. But again, this would just be my personal expectation from an organization like the NRA.
    But, O.K., I don't want this to become a NRA bashing thread and will shut up now...

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    seams to me the reason to join the nra is to fight for gun rights and pool our money to fund challenges to bad gun laws.

    dont blame the gun voters, everyone I know voted republican in our election but denver and boulder can out vote us and shove **** laws down our throats.
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    Anyone know how much the NRA directors get paid?????
    Do they do it for the money, or do they really believe????

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    Illinois FOID Second Amendment Case Appealed to Illinois Supreme Court
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    Quote Originally Posted by abunaitoo View Post
    Anyone know how much the NRA directors get paid?????
    Do they do it for the money, or do they really believe????
    follow the benjamins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCP View Post
    It's very hard to beat the Dems in this State. CHICAGO IS THE PROBLEM.
    Downstate is not the issue
    I live in a sanctuary firearms county for whatever good that will do.

    All states will or may have issues in the future.

    What State is safe or safest to move into?
    you might try Texas
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