Anyone loading the 350 Legend yet?

[Texas by God]

measure in the inside.

still no visible pic

Ditto the no pic.

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[Hardcast]

Winchester lists a subsonic round but no bullet weight. I wonder if the 215 grain Lyman 357 Max bullet (358627?) would be good for a subsonic round in this caliber? Could it be a better suppressed cartridge for wild pigs than the 300 Blackout?

[Moleman-]

Winchester lists a subsonic round but no bullet weight. I wonder if the 215 grain Lyman 357 Max bullet (358627?) would be good for a subsonic round in this caliber? Could it be a better suppressed cartridge for wild pigs than the 300 Blackout?

You'll need a heavier bullet if you want to have the action cycle. A 228gr is just on the verge of wanting to work and keep it subsonic. Winchester lists the subsonic bullet weight at 265gr. https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winc...-p-109114.aspx

[Hardcast]

You'll need a heavier bullet if you want to have the action cycle. A 228gr is just on the verge of wanting to work and keep it subsonic. Winchester lists the subsonic bullet weight at 265gr. https://www.targetsportsusa.com/winc...-p-109114.aspx

I was think of this rifle and it is a bolt gun.
https://ruger.com/productImages/26985/detail/2.jpg

[Moleman-]

I was think of this rifle and it is a bolt gun.
https://ruger.com/productImages/26985/detail/2.jpg

That would make it vastly easier v/s trying to work with what will cycle a semiauto.

[Texas by God]

Where is the Winchester bolt gun? Is Ruger first to market? Again?

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[Hardcast]

Just for fun I went to the Mountain Molds "design your own" page and drew up a 250 gr sensible Keith boolit with 80% meplat. Looks good to me, but I'm not a boolit design expert. I wonder if the 350 Legend 1 in 16 twist barrel will stabilize boolits this long at subsonic velocity.
If Winchester has tested their 265 grain load, I would assume the 250 SWC would be OK. But, I have been proven wrong a time or two.

[Hardcast]

Where is the Winchester bolt gun? Is Ruger first to market? Again?

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I just went to Gunbroker and searched for Winchester XPR 350 Legend and this was the results: There are 0 items that match your criteria.

Looks like you are right. So apparently at least one or two AR makers have the 350 Legend available, and there are plenty of Ruger Americans on Gunbroker too. So whats with Winchester selling ammo in their new cartridge and no Winchester gun to shoot it?

[ohiochuck]

Possibly because Winchester ammo (American) and Winchester Arms (Belgium) are two separate companies.

[Texas by God]

Possibly because Winchester ammo (American) and Winchester Arms (Belgium) are two separate companies.

I think their new bolt action is Japanese made. There's a 50/50 chance I'm right.

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[Hardcast]

Also, I checked Starline. No 350 Legend brass listed on their site. That means buying factory ammo for .50+ per round and shooting it just to get the brass.

[cwlongshot]

Seems still no dies available...

[Hardcast]

Seems still no dies available...

I wonder if 357 Max dies would work. The negatives of this brand new cartridge are such that I'm now thinking about going with the 300 Blackout for a pig gun instead the the Legend.

[cwlongshot]

Max dies will NOT work. Base of the 350 is too large @ .390! I have loaded some just “neck” or partial sizing. But they are not perfect. (They shoot pretty good too!)

I did the black out back in 2011. Its a favorite but I repeatedly saw its power limitations. Ill always keep it as its scarry accurate. But its power is limited to under 125. I had two quartering shots on whitetails at 175 & 160 ish FAIL TO ENTER BODY CAVITY GLANCING OFF SHOULDER AND LEG BONE!!! No I did not loose the animals. Was very lucky. But I learned to stay on ribs past 125.

I have hunted with the Maxi for many years and this 350 should duplicate its preformance. Its a better diameter and bullet weight. Esp when rougher game is on the list. Blk out will work. O DOUBTS!! But IMHO the 350 will do so “better”.

The XPB isnt scheduled for release till late Summer. Late August IIRC.

Yup Ruger grabbin the render low hanging fruit here for sure!!

I have been looking for dies myself. I see LEE from LEE 43$ I prefer better dies. Been dit three times buying LEE Dies.

IMHO, These FMJ’s are a better option. They shoot pretty good in my gun and at 8-9$ a box are almost as cheap as brass. Look around I bought 200 for 94 shipped. Ill be looking to but one more 200 “mini” case and Ill be good on brass.

If anyone has found dies, Redding is supposed to be making them. Ebay has a set for 260$!!!!! Thats stupid... But I'm sure they will be close to 100$

CW

[Daryl]

HI All,

I've not posted for awhile but I've been busy. I'm an FFL in Ohio and we are excited about this cartridge. I have CMMG 16" 1:14 AR barrels in stock as well as 5-round and 10-round mags. I've built 5 ARs so far and this is a great cartridge. As one post said, easy 3/4" at 50 yards.

Since I'm mostly on ARs I don't have boolit data for you. But, I've found some do's and dont's for my loading.

Lee has dies. I just ordered directly online from them. I don't like the crimping die = but I started using a 357 Mag taper crimp die and that worked perfectly.

The CMMG barrel slugged at .356 for me. I'm finding it takes a good taper to feed the AR well. I've used Hornady 200 FTX 38 cal sized down to .357 and Spear Hot-Cor 180 grain sized down to .357.

Look at the SAMMI specs and that gives you a lot of insight. In front of the case mouth, the spec is .357 diameter but only for .10" then it tapers down. So, I found that I need to get the .357 part of the bullet into the case and that works fine for these. Then, the case mouth spec for SAMMI is .378 - but the Winchester 145 factory ammo seems to be about .372. Once I got that to about .376 things fed well.

The Hornaday 147 XTP in .355 feeds and works well. The 158 XTP sized down to .357 does not feed well - so that supports the need for a steep taper.

I have some Lovex D063-01 (aka Shooter's World Tactical Rifle) that I use extensively in 300 Blackout that worked great for these loads.

Also, I did get load data from Hodgdon. They told me on the phone that Winchester does not recommend .357 so they don't have that data! Interesting since that is what we need in Ohio to be legal.

Here is what I got: - I tried putting a picture in but it came out tiny even when expanded.

[Blammer]

so CMMG is making 9mm barrels for the 350 legend?

[Dave Shooter]

A Redding 9x19 carbide sizing die works to size the .350 case to proper dimension at base. I lubed the first case just to be safe, but afterwards just used carbide die dry. Cases plunk into my CMMG chamber. The 9mm taper is more abrupt than .350 case so the displaced metal has to go somewhere, meaning lengthened cases. Mine wound up over max so trimming is necessary. Proper .350 Legend size dies might not have this issue. But if you want to go cheap this is one way to load it.

[cwlongshot]

Reluctantly I ordered a set of LEE dies in 350.

They arrived last week and yesterday I sized & primed 100 cases. I loaded about a dozen in a ladder with 180 xtp bullets. Dummies seemed to feed fine into my RARR barrel.

CW

[Silvercreek Farmer]

Reluctantly I ordered a set of LEE dies in 350.

They arrived last week and yesterday I sized & primed 100 cases. I loaded about a dozen in a ladder with 180 xtp bullets. Dummies seemed to feed fine into my RARR barrel.

CW

Any brass growth? Case lube required?

[cwlongshot]

The cases where all over the place. Straight cases dont really grow very fast. I have pulled one box if factory new and its OAL was all longer than 1710 too.

Yes I used case lube.

CW