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    The problem with moderate muslims is that there is no theological basis for their views.
    The problem isn't islamic fundamentalists. The problem is the fundamentals of islam.
    Yes! This is the answer to the title-question. And this is why I've concluded that you can judge a religion based on its extremists. Religious extremists expose the religion for what it is.

    What is needed is for political and church leaders to point this out. Challenge the Islamic world that their entire belief system is flawed, and inferior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UKShootist View Post
    ...My point is that people who are the 'peaceful majority' of any cause or society, beloved of politicians when addressing the issues, will deny extremism while silently supporting the extremists of their choice, praising them with faint ****s and in the case I mentioned, turning out in the many thousands to show support for the murderers of women and children at their funerals.

    BTW, go into any Protestant pub in N.I. and tell people there that they are English is likely to result in a smack in the mouth.
    Exactly!

    And the same goes if you visit any pub in South Boston, MA (USA), or Pug Uglies on Third Ave. in the 20s in NYC. One of the GREAT American "cop" bars.

    If you wore the badge and are visiting from across the pond, bring one of your unit's cap badges or brassards which if they don't already have, they will gladly to pour you a pint of Harp or Guinness on the house and let you graze on the munchies.
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    As long as Muslims practice adherence to the fundamentals of islam there is little to no chance of peace between them and any non-believers. Unless Muslims abandon their faith there is going to be no change and no change mean constant war with the rest of the planet with extermination of one side or the other the end result. When their place in eternity is on the line they will never compromise.
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    I am about as far from a Theological Scholar as you can get but some general observations. Most if not all the worlds major religions have gone through some type of reformation. The Quran punishes any attempts at reformation with death.

    http://www.islamhelpline.net/answer/...ange-the-quran

    No one can change the Quran
    In the name of Allah, We praise Him, seek His help and ask for His forgiveness. Whoever Allah guides none can misguide, and who-ever He allows to fall astray, none can guide them aright. We bear witness that there is no one (no idol, no person, no grave, no prophet, no imam, no dai, nobody!) worthy of worship but Allah Alone, and we bear witness that Muhammad (saws) is His slave-servant and the seal of His Messengers.

    The Truth of the matter is that the Quran cannot be changed or altered, because Allah Himself has taken it upon Himself to preserve this Glorious Book. Not only the Bohra leadership, but even the most ardent enemies of Allah have tried since time to change, edit and even destroy these words of wisdom from Allah. And each one of them failed miserably!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EDG View Post
    As long as Muslims practice adherence to the fundamentals of islam there is little to no chance of peace between them and any non-believers. Unless Muslims abandon their faith there is going to be no change and no change mean constant war with the rest of the planet with extermination of one side or the other the end result. When their place in eternity is on the line they will never compromise.
    As long as Protestants practice adherence to the fundamentals of Christianity there is little to no chance of peace between them and any non-believers. Unless Christians abandon their faith there is going to be no change and no change means constant war with the rest of the planet with extermination of one side or the other the end result. When their place in eternity is on the line they will never compromise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    As long as Protestants practice adherence to the fundamentals of Christianity there is little to no chance of peace between them and any non-believers. Unless Christians abandon their faith there is going to be no change and no change means constant war with the rest of the planet with extermination of one side or the other the end result. When their place in eternity is on the line they will never compromise.

    Tim
    Please provide a list of Protestant acts of terror so we can compare it against the very long list of Muslim acts of Terror??????????

    During the last 30 days there were 105 Islamic attacks in 21 countries, in which 730 people were killed and 1217 injured.

    https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/a...aspx?Yr=Last30

    FBI uncovers homegrown terror training camp in Alabama

    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-wor...y8Stsq6gBq1w-M

    How about we go back to the beginning?

    https://israelislamandendtimes.com/m...dpNZiaZeLHp9kI

    What have you got to back up your claim?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????
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    I don't live in another country. I care about stopping terrorism in the United States, first and foremost. The report below shows the numbers here in the United States, by group. We as a society need to figure out how to stop BOTH these homegrown groups (far right violent extremists and radical Islamist) from committing these horrible acts.

    United States Government Accountability Office Report:
    COUNTERING VIOLENT EXTREMISM
    Actions Needed to Define Strategy and Assess Progress of Federal Efforts

    Quote from page 1,
    "According to the U.S. Extremist Crime Database (ECDB), since the September 11 attacks, 85 attacks in the United States by violent extremists—associated with both radical Islamist and far right ideologies—have resulted in 225 fatalities."

    Quote from page 3,
    "Of these, 106 were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and 119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents."

    Read Appendix ll on Page 28, it lists all of them from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016.

    Link to the report: https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/683984.pdf

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    Wow that report is the best example of junk science I have seen in awhile. Notice anything odd here? Specifically where are hate/terror crimes commented by minorities against whites for purely racial motivations. If they refuse to list the other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremist is it an accurate refection of what is really happening? Same for starting on Sept 12, 2001??? A little biased by ignoring 3,000 deaths on Sept 11, 2001????? This would be funny if it wasn't dealing with very really issue in a very dishonest method.

    White supremacists, anti-government extremists, radical Islamist extremists, and other ideologically inspired domestic violent extremists have been active in the United States for decades. Examples of attacks include the 1993 World Trade Center bombing by radical Islamists, in which 6 persons were killed; and the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah federal building by anti-government far right individuals, in which 168 lives were lost. The September 11, 2001, attacks account for the largest number of fatalities in the United States in a single or closelyrelated attack resulting from violent extremism in recent decades. While the September 11, 2001, attacks were perpetrated by foreign violent extremists, from September 12, 2001 through December 31, 2016, attacks by domestic or “homegrown” violent extremists in the United States resulted in 225 fatalities, according to the ECDB. Of these, 106 were killed by far right violent extremists in 62 separate incidents, and 119 were victims of radical Islamist violent extremists in 23 separate incidents. Figure 1 shows the locations and number of fatalities involved in these incidents. A detailed list of the incidents can be found in appendix II. According to the ECDB, activities of far left wing violent extremist groups did not result in any fatalities during this period. They did not look very hard.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspi.../#62b8c7931e74

    Terrorists murdered 3,342 people on U.S. soil from 1992 through August 12, 2017. Islamist terrorists are responsible for 92% of all those murders. The 9/11 attacks, by themselves, killed about 89% of all the victims during this time. During this time, the chance of being murdered in a terrorist attack committed by an Islamist was about 1 in 2.5 million per year.
    Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists are the second deadliest group by ideology, as they account for 6.6% of all terrorist murders during this time. The 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, the second deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history, killed 168 people and accounted for 77% of all the murders committed by Nationalist and Right Wing terrorists. The chance of being murdered in a Nationalist or Right Wing terrorist attack was about 1 in 33 million per year.
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    Statistics can be twisted all day long. They were all murdered. Hate killed them all.

    One group killed more, One group killed less. No argument here.

    My wife's cousin has been to weddings at the synagogue in Poway, California. That is where the young radicalized man committed one of the the most recent terrorist attacks. The shooter was raised in the Church, radicalized by the internet.

    He was wrong.

    He killed 60-year-old Lori Gilbert-Kaye, she used her body to shield her rabbi. She saved his life.

    She was right.

    He was wrong.

    Hate begets hate. Retribution begets retribution. Jesus said in Matthew 5:39 "But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy rightcheek, turn to him the other also."

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    Muslims living in their own country or a new country still believe they have to watch their a... If they step out of line in their country they may loose their head. But, not in the United States. they can trash America, and nothing will happen to them, and they know it.
    Watch your news and you can see what I mean.......................USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    Unless Christians abandon their faith there is going to be no change and no change means constant war with the rest of the planet with extermination of one side or the other the end result. When their place in eternity is on the line they will never compromise. Tim
    Wrong. So obviously wrong it's astonishing you would say it.

    Unlike Islam, we know our place in eternity is dependant on the one we trust, not who we kill.

    In no place on earth are people being killed in the name of Jesus. Our Book says to treat all others with kindness and to hate no one; it's in our Book. No one is more offended than we when it happens and we mourn for those who are wrongly injured no matter who they are.

    The Koran is driven by hate and runs knee deep in blood. They ARE told to kill ALL others, even those in other Islamic splinter groups; it's clearly written in their "holy" book. TV news show that THEY joyfully have street celibrations over the wrongful deaths of innocents and praise the killers as Allah's heros!

    Baptists don't kill Methodists, neither kill Catholics, and none kill atheists. It's clear that blood Muslims don't discriminate, they kill each other as joyfully as others.
    As Americans, WE all know, or should know this, it's often presented on TV news.

    It's dumm to see the truth and still cling to PC revisionist history. Truth is, there will be no real peace on earth until everyone else is dead and there is only one Muslim left standing. But YOU have no fear of being killed by Christians because we re no threat to you or your family.

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    Clearly here many hate Muslims. Maybe you won't try to kill them but the U.S. kills hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

    Christian Evangelicals are trying to convert everyone to Christianity. There is a war going on with Muslims and Christians fighting each other for control of the world. Is a drone attack by the U.S. government not a terrorist attack, government sponsored terrorism of the kind we accuse Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    Clearly here many hate Muslims. Maybe you won't try to kill them but the U.S. kills hundreds of thousands of Muslims.

    Christian Evangelicals are trying to convert everyone to Christianity. There is a war going on with Muslims and Christians fighting each other for control of the world. Is a drone attack by the U.S. government not a terrorist attack, government sponsored terrorism of the kind we accuse Iran.

    Tim
    I do not think that the word & meaning of , "hate", the way it seems to be implied in your post is proper. I think most Christians do not "hate" mohammedans, but perhaps, "hate" their mostly violent actions in regards to others who are not of the mohammedan ideology. The mohammedan ideology tells them that anyone who is not a mohammedan is not a human being , but "chattel" or "property" like cattle, goats, etc., and have no significance until they convert to mohammedanism.
    ( BTW - I do not think mohammedanism is a "religion, but a political ideology disguised as a religion, more of a "political "cult".)

    So, it is more likely that most here are not "hating" the mohammedans themselves, but perhaps the concepts & teachings of mohammedanism, as well as the actions that some of them have performed due to those concepts & teachings creates the problem.

    I think perhaps you ought to use a different term to describe what you think others are doing other than, "hate", to describe what you think "Christians" feel about mohammedans. Maybe, "disapprove of the violent behavior(s)" would be a better choice. Something along those lines.. Do as it suits ya though. I am just adding an opinion of how I interpreted what ya wrote.

    As far as the 2nd paragraph about Christian Evangelicals, if the info I just looked at is correct, there are approx. 550 million ( 0.55 Billion) C. E. s in the world. the info I just looked at shows that there is approx. 180 million ( 1.8 Billion) mohammedans in the world.
    that is 0.55 Billion to 1.8 BILLION, or , 0.55 - 1.8. Meaning there are 3+ times more mohammedans that C.E.s around the world. That is a significant difference in numbers.

    Even if one adds in Catholics or any other type of Christian faith to the number of C.E.s, since all Christians are asked to "soldier" to bring converts to Christianity into the faith, one would likely still fall short of the 1.8 Billion mohammedans.

    Now, when one looks at the numbers of violence committed by C.E.'s, or C.Es + the rest of Christian followers & compares them to the mohammedans followers, there is a substantial difference between the two. ( Even more than the comparison of the numbers of each around the world. The mohammedans far outnumber those non believers killed over time vs. those killed by any Christians.)

    Lastly, I would remind you that, although it has been mentioned before, that the Christian mentality towards those with others beliefs is not to condemn &/or kill/use violence those who would not be Christians, due to their not accepting Christ as their savior, but instead to try to convince them to join in the faith thru good acts.

    On the other hand, those who follow mohammedanism have the mentality that those who practice other beliefs should be condemned for not joining in the following of mohammedan teachings, and be punished in some case with taxation for the tolerance of their non beliefs, called, "Jizya", and those who are taxed are tolerated to a point, but have little to no equality to other mohammedans in any way, or, the non believer/other faith believer is Killed without remorse & even to the extent of praise & salutation for doing so as that is the way "they" are taught.

    Now, if you are trying to compare the two, mohammedans & C.Es, etc. for dominance in the world, you have a "way" different outlook than most of the folks I know who call themselves Christians. Not only are you trying to use what "you" consider Christianity to criticize others, including other Christians, but are accepting the deeds of the mohammedans as just a part of a war, where the mohammedans capture/torment/kill & other acts of violence towards any other faiths including Christians, to the act of Christians who are involved in trying to stop the mohammedans from doing violence.

    I would imagine if the mohammedans stopped using violence against others, that the violence in retaliation would also stop.( < please note that word, "retaliation & either look up & understand the meaning if you are not knowing it, or try to consider its use in the differences between Christians & mohammedans behaviors to one another like in your examples of using drones.)

    I do not think any Christians are targeting mohammedans simply to convert them, but only trying to target the mohammedans who are using violence against non believers. While the mohammedans being targeted are trying to do violence to any who do not believe in their violent ways...

    Just something for you to consider, if you have not. I am really not trying to convince you to change your mind, but am offering another viewpoint(opinion) for you to compare to yours & see what YOU decide to think.


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    ETA - The numbers I used for the two groups "populations around the world are just quick ones I grabbed to use. I am not saying they are entirely accurate or inaccurate, but they seemed to be within the realm of likelihood. Without more research, I can only use what I found in a short search. Others are welcome to do more research to correct the numbers used if they so desire to use their time that way.
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    So why is is the discussion of a political ideology veiled in a religion been allowed to remain in theology, and not been moved to the PIT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBinMN View Post
    ……..Now, when one looks at the numbers of violence committed by C.E.'s, or C.Es + the rest of Christian followers & compares them to the mohammedans followers, there is a substantial difference between
    Just something for you to consider, if you have not. I am really not trying to convince you to change your mind, but am offering another viewpoint(opinion) for you to compare to yours & see what YOU decide to think.
    I agree that Islam is way worse than Christianity but Christians have killed way more Muslims that Muslim have kill Christians. The Oppression of Islam is horrible.

    Part of the problem as I see it is that many Christians do not really follow the will of Jesus, they are not filled with the Love that Jesus taught.

    I think the person who posted this picture and the people who put up the billboard, if it is real, would claim to be Christian.

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...=1#post4639050

    Why do you call them mohammedans and why don't you capitalize it?

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