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    .224 price and options

    Here is a cost break down of both what I deem necessary and what additional upgrades I have to offer to make 22 cal bullets from various jacket materials using my dies. First of all I recommend using a Lee Classic Cast press with my BTSniper premium dies. I offer an improved version of the Lee Classic Cast press that I have modified specifically to handle the pressures of swaging. This press has modified linkages that produce over twice the leverage of the stock press and comes with a new threaded ram and auto eject set up.

    Should the customer already have the Lee Classic Cast press all that is needed is my auto eject set up and the press will be good to go for use with my dies.

    Swage Press with Auto Eject



    $369.00

    BTSniper improved Lee Classic Swage press with auto eject




    Auto Eject System



    $199.00

    Auto Eject for Lee Classic Cast for customer that already has the Lee press
    *looking closely it is a shell holder ram top pictured, the threaded ram top that uses my 1/2-20tpi base punches is shown in pic below. Shows that both my threaded base punches and shell holder style base punches can be used if necessary, threaded is standard, shell holder style is more expensive option.




    BTSniper Premium 22 cal Swage Dies
    *new ram top is shown in pic and will be included with purchase of either auto eject system or my complete swage press.






    Commercial Jackets



    This is a bare minimum set up.....

    $499.00 point form die (available in 6s, 9s or VLD 14s ogive)
    $279.00 core seat die
    $299.00 core bleed die
    $199.00 eleven cavity core mold
    $135.00 three threaded base punches

    $1411.00





    Additional Add Ons and/or Upgrades....


    22lr jackets



    The best choice for making both affordable, deadly and accurate 22 cal bullets is to use scrap 22lr brass for jackets.


    $145.00 derim die
    $45.00 derim die base punch

    $190.00





    22mag/17hmr jackets....



    $169.00 derim die
    $45.00 derim die base punch
    $45.00 push threw base punch

    *requires 22lr derim die to draw down 22mag from 6mm diameter to 22 cal

    $259.00





    Traditional 9 degree Boat tail



    $249.00 Boat tail base punch for point form die
    $349.00 Boat tail core seat die

    $598.00





    Rebated boat tail



    $199.00 RBT base punch for point form die
    $349.00 Traditional Boat tail core seat die starts the boat tail
    $299.00 RBT core seat die finishes rebated boat tail

    $847.00





    Eleven Cavity Mold



    $199.00
    *can subtract cost of 3 cavity mold if the smaller mold is not needed




    These are the numbers, price and tooling required to form 22 cal bullets from various jacket materials. Notice some of the various kits have tooling that over laps and can be used with other kits should customer purchase more then one add on.

    Feel free to contact me for additional details. Let me know your email address and I'll be happy to send copy of instruction manuals for potential customers to look over.




    For order instructions or any questions feel free to contact me.

    Brian Thurner
    PO BOX 1783
    Hood River, OR.
    97031

    BT_Sniper@hotmail.com

    BTSNIPER llc.
    541-436-4095
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    .224 price and options continued...




    Standard reloading press options




    Shell holder style base punch



    $69.00 ea.

    *same price as listed above for boat tail options




    Auto Eject System for press with 1" ram



    $169.00

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    Complete Package Price Options


    Complete set up for 22lr and commercial jackets with Improved Lee Swage press

    $1894.00 + S&H



    Complete set up for customer that already has Lee Classic Cast press

    $1724.00 + S&H



    Complete set up for customer that already has reloading press with 1" ram

    $1766.00 + S&H





    Shown with shell holder base punches, auto eject not shown



    threaded base punches and new ram top for Lee Classic Cast press, derim die not shown



    Have upgraded entire auto eject system with black Nitride finish, shown with modified shell holder ram top for Lee Classic to be used with shell holder base punches



    Cork and leather base ball handle upgrade comes standard




    Auto eject system for standard reloading press with 1" ram


















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    Some common questions.....

    Q. What press will my dies work in?

    A. My top recommended press for use of my 22 cal dies is a Lee Classic Cast press followed by any of the RCE llc. offered presses and then any decent reloading press with a 1" ram.

    Q. What ogive (nose profile) should I choose?

    A. If you plan to shoot from a semi auto platform the 6.25s ogive is the best choice. If you only wish to shoot from a bolt action then the 8.75s has shot well for me. The 6.25S ogive matches the 52 Sierra match king nose profile perfectly and is my "standard" offering I keep the most of in stock and my top recommendation for best all around shooting.

    Q. What FPS are bullets made from 22lr brass able to achieve before they risk coming apart?

    A. Myself as well as many customers have done a lot of extensive testing in the matter. I just recently was able to achieve over 3600 fps with a 12 twist barrel and my 8.75s ogive 52 grain bullets and had all bullets make the target. It wasn't till the pressure reached unsafe levels and the fps reached nearly 3700 with this gun and barrel until the first bullet did not make it to the target. I stopped my testing and settled on 3550fps from this barrel and haven't had a bullet come apart on me since. Typically I have found good accuracy at 3100fps, 3300fps and 3500fps if your barrel is capable. It is my opinion that if the person behind the press uses good and consistent habits while forming these bullets it has more to do with the bullet staying together then any other factor involved. Of course a quality barrel and slower twist will certainly help too.

    Q. What is the max hardness of the lead cores?

    A. Since I supply a mold the customer is free to cast their own cores from scrap lead. I advise the customer that if they can find wheel weight lead they can certainly find some pure lead too. I advise one to use as soft as lead as possible, keep the BNH at 10 or below and everything should be good. At most a 50-50 mix of pure lead to wheel weight if you must but always strive to keep your alloy as consistent and as soft as possible.

    Q. Should I derim before or after anneal?

    A. Everything I have read suggests annealing after you derim, although I have had customers report back acceptable results of deriming after anneal. Until I try otherwise I still recommend annealing after deriming 22lr brass.

    Q. What is the best method for annealing 22lr brass?

    A. Any heat source that will get the brass above a temp of 800f. I have had good success with a self cleaning oven laying brass out on a pizza sheet. I recommend cleaning derimed brass jackets in a stainless steel tumbler first. Also had good luck with a clean and covered elc. lead pot. And of course a Kiln used for pottery and ceramics.

    Q. What is the best method for cleaning the scale off the brass after annealing?

    A. Stainless steel media in a rotary tumbler of some sort is by far the best and only method I recommend for cleaning the scale off annealed brass.
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