25/20 & 32/20 were meat guns for a lot of people. Stump hunters killed a lot of deer with both of these. Not good for jump shooting or long range but 40-60yd is easy deer kill. Guys use 300mag for same thing and swear by them. I have only old originals and shot only cast at the old velocity levels. Shot many groundhogs with both. I shot them a lot more than usual doing 22 ammo panic.