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Thread: Need Light loads for Damascus 10 gauge and Winchester 1887 12 gauge PLEASE.

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    Boolit Buddy Kev18's Avatar
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    Need Light loads for Damascus 10 gauge and Winchester 1887 12 gauge PLEASE.

    I looked everywhere on forums for light loads around 5000-6000 psi for my damascus barrel 10 gauge. ALOT of people have loads but they are all discontinued powders or they mention the loads, but leave out the amount of powder they use.

    I have a Hodgon powder supplier not to far from me. I can get IMR red, clays... etc. I just need to know what I can use. Most people mention IMR PB or another IMR powder that is no longer in production.

    Im tired of cleaning the **** BP.

    Id like loads for my 12 gauge also.

    10 gauge is 2 7/8 chamber
    12 gauge is 2 5/8.
    Thanks

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    Contact Double Gun Journal. A few years ago they had a whole series on safe smokeless loads in twist steel guns. Back issues not cheap but these are exhaustive tests that answer every question and clear up every myth.

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    Sorry the lightest load i have is 7050 psi with 30.0 gr herco and federal hulls . And i will say you are braver than me i will not pull the trigger on a Damascus barrel but thats just me i know a lot of people like them.

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    For the 10 gauge my light load is a 2 7/8” Hull with 18.6 grains Red Dot . SP-10 wad with THREE 16 gauge 1/8” thick card wads in the bottom of the shot cup , then 1 1/8 ounce birdshot with a 10 gauge overshot card on top to keep the folded crimp flat . Works well for me in a number of damascus and steel twist guns . The two oldest were made in 1881 if that makes you feel any better . That load has worked well for me in the 10 for skeet , trap , sporting and dove . Matter of fact all four of the guns in my avatar are Parker 10’s all made from 1889-1899 and all have shot the load I mention above .
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    I also use a slightly heavier load same Hull and wad with 30 grains SR7625 and one 1/8Ē 16 gauge wad 1 1/4 ounce shot and overcard . That load works well with birdshot , weighed Bismuth and buckshot or slugs as long as they donít exceed 1 1/2 ounces .
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    Check with Ballistic Products as they have a huge assortment of reloading info and may have some low pressure loads.

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    http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun

    Gauge: 10
    Lead Shot 1 1/4 oz.
    Manufacturer
    Powder
    Primer
    Wad

    Grs.
    Pressure
    Vel. (ft/s)
    IMR
    IMR Blue
    Fed. 209A
    REM SP10 + 1-16 GA .250" FIBER

    35.3
    7,400 PSI
    1,200
    Hodgdon
    Longshot
    Fed. 209A
    REM SP10 + 1-16 GA .250" FIBER

    31.0
    6,500 PSI
    1,225
    Gauge: 10
    Lead Shot 1 1/4 oz
    Manufacturer
    Powder
    Primer
    Wad

    Grs.
    Pressure
    Vel. (ft/s)
    Winchester
    572
    Fed. 209A
    REM SP10 + 1-16 GA .250" FIBER

    27.5
    6,700 PSI
    1,200
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    2nd Amendment of the U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunauthor View Post
    Check with Ballistic Products as they have a huge assortment of reloading info and may have some low pressure loads.
    I looked at that site but its only a white page that resembles a letter detailing what are in their loads... No actual loads. Every link I click on brings me to the same page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pt-sika View Post
    I also use a slightly heavier load same Hull and wad with 30 grains SR7625 and one 1/8” 16 gauge wad 1 1/4 ounce shot and overcard . That load works well with birdshot , weighed Bismuth and buckshot or slugs as long as they don’t exceed 1 1/2 ounces .
    Do you think I could add more red dot instead of that powder? Il go buy some IMR red soon enough. I have some birdshot and #4 buckshot I casted. Id like a load for targets/ small game if possible.

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    The alternative that works well is to buy chamber inserts to shoot a smaller gauge shell. I use 12 ga inserts in my 10s and 20 ga in my 12s. Contrary to what you might think they pattern just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBlover429 View Post
    The alternative that works well is to buy chamber inserts to shoot a smaller gauge shell. I use 12 ga inserts in my 10s and 20 ga in my 12s. Contrary to what you might think they pattern just fine.
    Briley makes little shorty tubes for the 12 so you can shoot 20 , 28 and 410 . These are slightly longer then chamber inserts or gauge mates whatever you wish to call them . The Briley things work very well and I have no complaints about the ones that fit just the chamber .
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    Or, one could try loading with a clean burning BP substitute like Black MZ.

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