reloading data for 7.62x25?

[jtwodogs]

I am about at my wits end. I do not have to go far.LOL
Been trying to reload for my tt38. It likes the factory stuff which is hot a 86 gr. FMJ
about 1650 fps.
Tried titegroup all the way up to 6.3 grs. using Horn. 85 gr. JSP.
Will not shoot a good group. I think gun wants to run fast to be accurate. The factory stuff is really accurate.
I have IMR4227, H110, w296, and HP38, left as pistol powder choices. I have seen that many people use these. Just no one willing to put any numbers out there.
I have 4 different manuels and non of them have any data for this round. Maybe someone could give some starting loads to there most accurate load and then I could work up. Just want to get on the right track.
Thanks
j

[Combat Diver]

I used to reload for the 7.63 Mauser, which is where the Soviets copied for the Tokerov cartridge. Unforunitly I do not have excess to my reloading logbooks down range. Might have some data over on my external hard drive which I'll check after lunch.

[Combat Diver]

.30 Mauser
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

7.62x25
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

[9.3X62AL]

AA-7 powder has been my "go-to" powder for the 7.62 x 25 Tokarev. With 85-90 grain bullets/boolits, start with 6.5 grains of AA-7 and work toward 7.7 grains for 1400 FPS. That is about top-end for the Tokarev pistols; CZ-52 pistols and Soviet-bloc SMGs can run hotter loads. The most recent Hornady Manual shows some CZ-52 loads for their XTP bullets that run to 1700 FPS plus. Such loads would likely GRENADE a Broomhandle, and wouldn't do a Tokarev much good, either.

[jtwodogs]

Thanks for the info guys. The Vithavori stuff is hard to find around here. I have been shooting the Czhec ammo, which chronos at 1650 and my tok is handling it pretty, very accurate.
I was hoping for some info with 4227. but will probably start with min.. loads for w296

[zxcvbob]

I'd start with AA#7.
Power Pistol, HS-6, and 800X should also be really good, and WSF and Herco not bad.

The powders you have are all either too fast or too slow.

[jtwodogs]

.30 Mauser
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

7.62x25
http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/de...Powder&Source=

Thanks for the info it shows that H110 is definetly used for loading this pistol.

Here is another source using H110
http://www.reloadersnest.com/query_a...p?CaliberID=29

Was just wondering if anyone had any personal experience with it.
Thanks

[zxcvbob]

I want to learn to reload this cartridge, just on principle, but it's hard to justify when milsurp ammo is still less than 10¢ a pop. But I just ran some numbers in quickload. I gave it a maximum pressure of 35000 psi, which is more than QL recommended, so take this with a larger than usual grain of salt. (that's also why most of them say DANGEROUS LOAD) Consider these maximum loads and use at your own risk.

Cartridge          : 7.62 x 25 Tokarev
Bullet             : .308, 86, Hornady RN 3100
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.390 inch or 35.31 mm
Barrel Length      : 5.0 inch or 127.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 35000 psi, or 241 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N105                    100.2     10.9     0.71    1636    94.9    35000   11164   0.432  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Enforcer                    96.2     13.6     0.88    1608    78.6    35000   11331   0.437  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant POWER PISTOL                79.5      8.8     0.57    1598    95.5    35000   10457   0.433  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant 2400                        95.2     12.6     0.81    1598    77.5    35000   11104   0.439  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.7                       75.4     11.3     0.73    1597    87.3    35000   10808   0.438  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H110                       105.0     15.7     1.02    1591    69.0    34311   11331   0.442  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Lil'Gun                    105.0     15.2     0.98    1590    73.4    32067   11953   0.447  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT                    97.8     11.1     0.72    1586    86.2    35000   10614   0.437  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.9                       82.9     12.4     0.80    1580    80.9    35000   10537   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 3N38                     92.8     10.5     0.68    1578    91.0    35000   10138   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4100                       98.1     14.1     0.91    1576    73.4    35000   10588   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.5                       60.0      9.4     0.61    1572    93.9    35000    9912   0.433  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori 3N37                     80.8      8.7     0.56    1547    99.7    35000    8862   0.437  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon HS-6                        65.6      9.0     0.59    1542    98.9    35000    8909   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N350                     83.8      8.5     0.55    1542    99.8    35000    8665   0.434  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant HERCO                       90.9      7.9     0.51    1539   100.0    35000    8611   0.443  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot True Blue                   60.9      8.7     0.57    1533    99.6    35000    8617   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 540                      60.7      8.7     0.56    1533    99.7    35000    8602   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant UNIQUE                      80.7      7.2     0.47    1520   100.0    35000    8064   0.443  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester WAP                      66.4      8.0     0.52    1518   100.0    35000    8044   0.435  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Silhouette                  65.3      8.0     0.52    1517   100.0    35000    8005   0.436  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant BULLSEYE                    70.6      6.5     0.42    1515   100.0    35000    7864   0.433  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N340                     78.8      7.3     0.47    1490   100.0    35000    7388   0.439  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate No.2                       58.8      6.8     0.44    1483   100.0    35000    7353   0.435  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 5744                      105.0     13.7     0.88    1483    58.8    32534    9277   0.451  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Universal                   74.4      6.7     0.43    1460   100.0    35000    6965   0.449  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N330                     74.5      6.8     0.44    1459   100.0    35000    6787   0.445  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate Solo 1250                  79.9      6.6     0.43    1445   100.0    35000    6558   0.440  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Zip                         55.7      6.7     0.43    1435   100.0    35000    6472   0.442  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 231                      63.6      6.7     0.43    1435   100.0    35000    6472   0.442  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon HP38                        62.2      6.6     0.43    1427   100.0    35000    6354   0.442  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate Nitro 100                  76.1      5.5     0.36    1408   100.0    35000    6151   0.446  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant GREEN DOT                   77.3      6.0     0.39    1407   100.0    35000    6171   0.452  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N320                     72.9      6.0     0.39    1399   100.0    35000    5966   0.450  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N110                    105.0     12.4     0.80    1387    68.0    23705    9195   0.521
Accurate Solo 1000                  75.8      5.8     0.38    1386   100.0    35000    5838   0.448  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 1680                      105.0     15.7     1.02    1384    48.7    28795    8030   0.476
Alliant RED DOT                     78.6      5.4     0.35    1375   100.0    35000    5793   0.453  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon TiteGroup                   52.4      5.9     0.39    1375   100.0    35000    5691   0.448  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4227                           105.0     13.4     0.87    1331    53.8    24618    7664   0.511
Vihtavuori N310                     60.8      4.9     0.32    1307   100.0    35000    4949   0.459  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4227                      105.0     13.4     0.87    1301    52.0    23075    7424   0.528
Hodgdon H4198                      105.0     13.7     0.89    1196    41.9    20228    6101   0.565
IMR 4198                           105.0     13.1     0.85    1145    41.1    17632    5672   0.603
Vihtavuori N120                    105.0     13.3     0.86    1117    42.6    16182    5729   0.627

[7of7]

This is from the Ammoguide site, these are the max loads that people have posted...
Bullet Wt. (gr) __________Powder Type__________Charge (gr)__________Vel. (fps)
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-9__________10.9M_____________1470
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-2__________6.5M______________1522
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-9__________13.5+P ___________1683
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-5__________8.5M______________1690
86 Hornady____________Accurate AA-7__________10.3M_____________1721

[jtwodogs]

Thanks zxcvbob, that shows a workable 4227 load.

[mike in co]

and just for the heck of it, ...why did you ask a RELOADING
question on an EQUIPTMENT
forum ??
there are relaoding forrums on this site.

[jtwodogs]

and just for the heck of it, ...why did you ask a RELOADING
question on an EQUIPTMENT
forum ??
there are relaoding forrums on this site.

Sorry did not see the reloading data forum.
And just for the "Heck of it" You need some help with your people skills!

[mechteacher]

Brass for Tokarev can be limited to find for reloading. I cut 223 brass down and reform with the Lee Sizer/Decapper die. Harbor Freight sells a 2" cut off saw that cuts cases just fine. I cut a grove in a piece of wood and after cutting a slot with the cutoff saw, pressed a thin washer as a stop. I place an empty 223 case and cut to 24.74 mm. Chamfer inside and out, lube and run through the resizing die. Now you have 24.95 mm brass.
With this brass you will need to use a shell holder for .223 as the 7.62x25 case head is slightly smaller.

[Outpost75]

Brass for Tokarev can be limited to find for reloading. I cut 223 brass down and reform with the Lee Sizer/Decapper die. Harbor Freight sells a 2" cut off saw that cuts cases just fine. I cut a grove in a piece of wood and after cutting a slot with the cutoff saw, pressed a thin washer as a stop. I place an empty 223 case and cut to 24.74 mm. Chamfer inside and out, lube and run through the resizing die. Now you have 24.95 mm brass. With this brass you will need to use a shell holder for .223 as the 7.62x25 case head is slightly smaller.

With high quality new brass from Starline being readily available and affordable, https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-...Tokarev-Brass/ if you value your time as more than minimum wage slave labor, I cannot understand why ANYBODY would persist in the effort to make cases from 5.56 only to have the pistol put the results of your efforts into low earth orbit over Ohio... just sayin'

Don't see much point in bumping an 8-year old thread either.

If you want proven accurate and reliable data for the Hornady bullet, use Starline brass, CCI 500 and 7.4 grains of AutoComp.

Velocity Test Data for 7.62x25 in TT33 Pistol

Handloads in Starline cases with CCI500 primers

Ammunition Description___________Vel@15ft., Sd, ES n=10

____________________________________TT33, 4.6”
Romanian Type P Ball, Factory 22, 1984____1461 fps, 27 Sd, 76ES
Yugoslav PPU Ball,_____________________1310, 26 Sd, 66ES
Hornady 86-grain SP, 7.4 grs. AutoComp___1353, 20, 71
__________________________________________________ ____

[GONRA]

GONRA sez - listen to Outpost75. I use Starline brass in my CZ52's for all kinds of crazy stuff......