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    The beauty of the 6.5 Creedmore is that you can get it in a sub $300 rifle that will shoot sub MOA out of the box. I don't own one, but if I was a long range jacketed shooter, I probably would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCFAN View Post
    I have killed several deer with my old 6.5X55 using the Hornady 140 grain spire point bullets.I kept the MV at 2300 FPS or so and never have I had a deer take a single step after being hit behind or on the shoulder.They were dead right there.From my experience I think it is the best deer cartridge made. I am sure others have had different experiences,but for me the old sweed is a winner.
    Thats how I load my 6.5 Creedmoor: 32 grains IMR 8208 under a 140 grain Hornady or Sierra. .30-30 level recoil and noise, more accurate than my shaky hands can take advantage of, and it will kill anything that needs killing around here. I couldn't care less about shooting to 1000 yards, that is so far beyond my capabilities as to be abstract.

    On the topic of overrated rounds, I say 7mm Remington Magnum. It guzzles powder, has short case life, nasty recoil for a 7mm, and won't do anything that a smart .270, .280, or '06 can't do just as easily. Around here, it has always been the number one choice of people who hunt once a year and are convinced they need something with the word "magnum" in its name.
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    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    No body mentioned the .250-3000, it will do anything the .243 will do. And has the advantage of heavier bullets. And the .257Rob'ts in a long action will do a lot better.
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    Most of the newer chamberings are just marketing hype and don't do anything that older cartridges couldn't do, and they are not cast boolit friendly, eg: 6.5 creedmore, 300 B.O., 300 PRC, etc.

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    Walks- Amen, brother on the .250 Savage. My wife's #1 choice and sometimes she lets me borrow it...


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    The .250 Savage and the 6.5 Creedmoor are basically the same.

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...edmoor.836172/
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    The .500 S&W magnum! I've got one, and I don't even know why? That little Encore kills at the front end, and maims on the other!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    The .223 isn't a 22-250 and never will be. In fact, in your average 16"-20" AR15; you are getting .222 Remington ballistics. In equal length/ weight barrels the 22-250 is hitting harder way out there where the gun shy prairie dogs are. In my experience from using both cartridges for 46 years. And to stir it up more, I've NEVER had a problem killing deer with one shot with a .223, 22-250, or .243.

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    ^ +1 What he said. I do agree with the .243 needing excellent shot placement, but SHOT placement discipline should be practiced regardless of bore size, bullet weight, FPS, so on and so on. Just my .02 - Caster
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    The .250 Savage and the 6.5 Creedmoor are basically the same.

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph...edmoor.836172/
    Makes sense, given that the .250 is grandfather to the 6.5.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    9mm Luger. The story usually goes like, with modern hollow points the 9mm is every bit as good as a 45 auto. Just hogwarsh from folks that can't handle a mans gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazoo View Post
    9mm Luger. The story usually goes like, with modern hollow points the 9mm is every bit as good as a 45 auto. Just hogwarsh from folks that can't handle a mans gun.
    Sooner or later someone was going to step on that landmine in this thread!
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    Yep
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    Oh no you didn't lol. When the infamous Win Black Talons came out, we tested the 9mm first. I stood on the well house roof and shot straight down into a 5 gallon bucket of water. I got a little wet and we removed the beautiful propeller spiked bullet. Refilled the bucket and tried the .45. I got real wet, the bucket lifted a foot in the air and split down the side. And we removed a bigger version of the first one. That settled it for me once and for all- they are not equal.

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    Thats a neat story TbG, thanks for sharing.

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    I don't think a full size .45 is hard to shoot at all. More so than most .40's in fact. Only reason I dont have one is I have enough cartridges to cast and reload for already!
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    My vote goes to the new 7.6 Creedmoor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazoo View Post
    9mm Luger. The story usually goes like, with modern hollow points the 9mm is every bit as good as a 45 auto. Just hogwarsh from folks that can't handle a mans gun.
    If the SAS like the 9mm then I am ok with it LOL

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    In it's original configuration the .223 may have been the most overrated cartridge in history. When they finally gave up on that 55 grain silliness it got better.
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    The Creedmoor case is nothing more than a 250 Savage Ackley Improved case necked up to 264 caliber. the 6mm Creedmoor is a remake of Tubbs' 6XC, also a blown-out Savage case. There's not much really new in cartridges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norske View Post
    The Creedmoor case is nothing more than a 250 Savage Ackley Improved case necked up to 264 caliber. the 6mm Creedmoor is a remake of Tubbs' 6XC, also a blown-out Savage case. There's not much really new in cartridges.
    It has good genes, thats for sure!
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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