Contemplating the near future

[Jim]

I've got myself a big mug of strong, hot coffee with a dash of egg nog, a spoon of sugar and a shot of Jameson Irish Whiskey. It's more of a dessert coffee really.

I started a thread sometime back entitled "What would YOU do?" and now there's a thread about picking one rifle and handgun. God forbid all the possible scenarios ever develop.

I think back to just months ago when these thoughts never materialized. Now I think "Dear God, what's gonna happen if the people of this country put this man in office?".

Fellas, I don't mind admitting to you, I'm worried. I've said it before and still believe this country's goin' t' hell in a handbasket.

[Boerrancher]

It would seem that the way things are going, my children who all all under the age of 13 have nothing great to look forward to. I know that they will not have the standard of living that I have had. I have watched my standard of living slowly deteriorate over the last 15 years. I can only sit back and shutter at what the future holds for my children.

It would seem that Half of this countries population would rather sit back and complain about the way things are going and waiting for someone else to do something, while the other half is standing there with their hand out wanting something for nothing.

In 1776 we found ourselves in a situation not all that different than that of today. The working man was being forced to pay nearly half his wages to a strong central government, who's only concern was self sustainment. Nearly 2/3 rds of the population was either apathetic or had their hand out for the king's money and favours. Only a few brave souls, quite possibly not just the greatest minds of the time but possibly of all time, planed something that cost some of them their lives, and most their lively hoods.

Do you think for a moment that the farms of Washington, Jefferson, and the likes were just like they left them after years of war, and neglect? Do you think the shipping companies that converted their ships to privateers and had half of them sunk by the English fleet, came out of the war better off and wealthier than they were at the start of the war? No, everything that these men had worked hard for was in shambles. So why did they do it when they knew they were going to be worse off if they won or God forbid lost? They did it for future generations, their children and grandchildren. Many of these brave men who put everything on the line for their future generations eventually recovered financially, but in most cases it was nearly a generation before most Americans began to prosper under a new Government ruled by a Constitution.

We no longer have men who get involved in politics who are the best and brightest, we have those who enter politics now to line their pockets with the money of the hard working people of this country, and pass the rest of it on to those American's who have their hand out wanting something for nothing, in order to buy votes to stay in power. I tend to agree with Jim, "I am worried. I've said it before and still believe this country's goin' t' hell in a handbasket."

The only thing that I can say to each and every one of you, is to ask yourselves, are my children and grandchildren going to have it as good or better than I am. If you can in your heart of hearts answer with a truthful yes, then continue to do nothing. If the answer is a flat no, then you need to do some soul searching and figure out what you need to do to change that. It is time to stop thinking about those of us who are alive now and worry about those future generations of Americans. Are we going to leave them a great nation or a 3rd world country? The choice is yours.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

[Nazgul]

I'm still not worried. America survived the depression, 2 world wars, even 8 years of Clinton as president. Say what you want, the majority of us will go to work every day, raise our kids and grand kids , in general do what is right.

There are some tough times financially, my 401k is not pretty, but we are still light years ahead of the rest of the world. Look, in a large percentage of the world, we could wake up tomorrow with Obama as our president for life and no choice.

I refuse to see this election as the end of the USA. Even if my 401k ends up worthless, it is a personal disaster, not a nation ending crisis.

[JudgeBAC]

The election of OBAMA could be a nation ending crisis if we move from a republic to the socialist republic of North America. After all socialism is just one step removed from a communist government.

Who would have thought we would see government owning an interest in banks and a republican candidate talking about buying up worthless mortgages. If we continue down this path we will indeed see this Nation end as a free and democratic republic. Our founding fathers are surely rolling over in their graves.

[Ghugly]

The old Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times," comes to mind. We may well be looking at a national Democratic landslide, with near complete control of both houses of congress. Interesting times, indeed.

[Scrounger]

IF Obama gets elected, he owes the most thanks to good old George W Bush, he poisoned the well. I'm going to hate the outcome of this election no matter who wins; The only consolation is that George will get the credit he so richly deserves for being America's worst President ever.

[Nazgul]

Worse than Clinton?

Or Carter?

[leadeye]

This evening I will have my Jameson straight over ice, but I take comfort that he only one man and will not be in office forever. I think we will see high taxes on anything firearms related as a way to pay off his political debts and provide tax revenue which he will want, but I think his main focus will be first to move as much money and power to Chicago as he possibly can. Massa Richard will demand that this be his first priority.

[Scrounger]

Worse than Clinton?

Or Carter?

Yes. At worst they were fools or buffoons, not evil, greedy men who put their own financial gain so flagrantly above that of their country. My opinion, and that's ALL any of us here have, no matter how strongly held.

[Larry Gibson]

Unfortuneately many do not understand that there must be a higher belief than family or personal benifit. Many believe in God but God has not spited our enemies for centuries. It has been left up to us. Too many of our citizens do not put country (or in our case the Constitution) before anything else. They somehow do not understand that without upholding our Republic and our Constitution that protects individual rights vs a "democracy" we will become serfs and our families and children essentually will become slaves as in centuries past. Our society appears ready to vote for what they percieve as "instant gratification" to which most have become ingrained to do. That is unfortunate. Without our Republic and Constitution they will quickly see that family, religion, position and money have no real meaning. I do not see what the imediate future holds but I fear it holds no good.

I am a dinosaur, I am extinct and have just not died yet. I am not leaving behind that which I inherited. That is what I fear.

Larry Gibson

[Boerrancher]

Thank you Larry for truly getting it. It is not about this election, or the last 8 years. It is about the last 80 years, and how we arrived at where we are today.

Best wishes from the Boer Ranch,

Joe

[45 2.1]

2 Thessalonians 2:9,10,11,12

[rufracer]

wow, the economy is bad so it must be Ws fault. I wish people still thought for themselves in this country. Hello!! Remember when the war started and our troops didnt have enough armor and such. Why was that. Hmm, couldnt be because Clinton cut millitary spending by around 40%. I wonder if it cost any money to make up for that. This is one of dozen examples I have of how its not Ws fault we are in this mess. Clinton set most of this into motion, and Bush has had to clean it up. Since Bush was in office, we have been attacked by terrorists, and had huge natural disasters almost every year. Not to mention the liberals in congress. I would say that he was delt a bad hand. Is he perfect? No. Is he evil, No. I really could keep going all day, but It wont change anyones mind. This info has been out there the entire time. Just nobody wants to take the time to think about it any more. If you see good results in a 4 or even 8 year term, they are usually BS that wont last, and will most likely cost in the long run. I encourage everyone to look back 10 years or so and it will sudenly become clear what is going on now. America I a big machine, and it takes time to get her turned.

Ok so I didnt read Larrys post before I posted.

[Old Ironsights]

Thank you Larry for truly getting it. It is not about this election, or the last 8 years. It is about the last 80 years, and how we arrived at where we are today.

Here it is in a nutshell.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x32...ezmenov%5dYuri

Despite the "fall" of the old Soviet system, good 'ol Nikky knew exactly what he was talking about when he was banging his shoe...

[Bret4207]

I realize I'm a fool for reading history and trying to learn from it, but I think there will be a host of "worst Presidents ever" by the time we get done. Throw Bush in with Carter, FDR, Wilson, Hoover, LBJ...... None of them are very good in one light or another. It's all in your perspective.

Someone said he wasn't worried, that folks would keep getting up and going to work. Da Comrade, just as the Messiah demands. Wake up friend. This one is VERY important!

[longhorn]

I'm with Scrounger--history will lend us all perspective, but George W. will go down on the short list with Ulysses S. Grant and Woodrow Wilson. Abject failures. Don't get me wrong--I voted for the man twice for governor and twice for president, and I don't think he's evil or stupid. He certainly relied on the wrong advisors, though.

[Heavy lead]

History is just that, it will be written later, with hindsight, but I for one did vote for him twice and supported him over McCain in 2000. I'm darn glad he was in the oval office instead of Gore in 2001. And he did do good things for the second ammendment too. IMO we've done good in the middle east. He took the war they brought here and put it over there, far away from us. There are a lot of things we don't know, and Jack was right for the most part "You can't handle the truth".
Another Thank You to our guys over there, and the good you have done and are doing.

[ndhole]

Our politicians changed to the far left/right who work for special interests a long time ago. Every one of them speak of change and fixing what's wrong but that's hard to do when they're the problem. Our Constitutional ammendments and rights have been modified, "interpreted" and eroded away to suit their needs and objectives not ours. I liken our current state of government to a sinking ship full of holes. You can patch it all you want but your just delaying the enevitable whereas if you let it sink and the rats drown you can build anew. It wouldn't be a perfect system but if we went back to the basics of serving the needs of our Country and it's citizens first and actually made people become more self reliant and think for themselves again it would be a good start. Hopefully by doing so you could also restore some of the morality and common sense that has went by the wayside. That's just my two cents worth.

[GabbyM]

I think Joe Biden must have come to know BO a bit better. Then decided to sabotage the candidacy. With his statement yesterday of our enemies testing BO's metal.

Maybe Joe finally figured out which side BO is on.

[GabbyM]

I wouldn't want to start a conspiracy theory.

Don't suppose Bill Clinton put Joe up to making that statement?