12 Gauge from hell

[Ozark mike]

Ya hamburger shoulder anyone
Uhhh... I'll pass

I doubt any one is calling you a wuss if they are we need to let them shoot it

[Scrounge]

Big, big, update! Unfortunately, the Lehigh defense slugs will not be happening. Too much back and forth with not enough action. I don't want to disparage them at all, they make fantastic products. This was just out of their wheelhouse and they admitted so. So, not wanting to give up my goal of a copper solid, I contacted Jason at Badlandsprecision.com. Right away, Jason gave me his cellphone number and had me call to discuss what I wanted, my specs, ect. The next day, he sent me a design. I looked over the design and sent him what I wanted changed. The next day, he sent me the revised design which I approved.

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I made the payment the following week and he said he'd start when he got the material. Fast forward to yesterday, less than a week from when we last spoke, he send me an email confirming that the design is what I wanted, and that he would get the equipment set up. Today, he sends me an email with the first slug to come off the lathe.

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A few hours later, he sent me a final email saying that he had finished my order of 200 slugs, and that I'd have them in a week. I cannot reccomend his company enough. Fantastic to deal with from start to finish. And boy are these slugs pretty!!

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In less than 3 weeks, he went from a design to a real thing. The slugs are 726 grains of solif copper. My load development will start over, but I am completely fine with that. I cannot wait to get these in hand!

I agree that they're real pretty, but them things is illegal here in Oklahoma! Gotta have at least a 60% lead core. Not sure how much of the core there has to be, either.

I have a weakness. Yes, only one! I love BIG, FAST bullets! Or Boolits!

[Bigbore.729]

That's a rather weird law. What's the idea behind that, besides being absolutely ridiculous?

[skeettx]

Scrounge
Will you please post the requirement on Oklahoma laws
Thank you
Mike

[Bigbore.729]

I looked it up and it seems like it's a weird twist on armor penetrating round laws.

[Ozark mike]

Most states want to ban lead never heard of that

[skeettx]

Found something
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/ammun...n-in-oklahoma/

Wonder what "high velocity" is?

[lar45]

That's a monster for sure. Thanks for the updates and videos
I don't remember, did you put lead in the butt, or was it mercury recoil reducers?
When I put my 470NE together I made lead plugs to put in the butt stock, but it is a pea shooter compared to your Beast. You might consider looking into the Mercury vs just plain lead weights. It's supposed to help dampen the recoil impulse.
I'd like to sleeve my 10ga double, but I'm not sure the Zabala action is heat treated to take the strain. It is a dual lump with Greener crossbolt.
I gave one to a friend that has tried some warm 10ga round ball loads and the action is starting to come off face.
Anyway, good luck with your project, and keep those retinas intact

[Bigbore.729]

That's a monster for sure. Thanks for the updates and videos
I don't remember, did you put lead in the butt, or was it mercury recoil reducers?
When I put my 470NE together I made lead plugs to put in the butt stock, but it is a pea shooter compared to your Beast. You might consider looking into the Mercury vs just plain lead weights. It's supposed to help dampen the recoil impulse.
I'd like to sleeve my 10ga double, but I'm not sure the Zabala action is heat treated to take the strain. It is a dual lump with Greener crossbolt.
I gave one to a friend that has tried some warm 10ga round ball loads and the action is starting to come off face.
Anyway, good luck with your project, and keep those retinas intact

Hey, thank you sir! Yes I put as much lead as I could in the stock. I've got a new stock coming that I will try to make heavier. I've thought about using mercury, but technically it's illegal to have that on a plane. I know a lot of folks travel with reducers in their stock, just not wanting to deal with that headache if it were to come up.

[Scrounge]

That's a rather weird law. What's the idea behind that, besides being absolutely ridiculous?

skeetxx has it, it's a "cop killer bullet" ban. I don't think they realize that fast bullets can pierce armor. The .30 Mauser, as I understand it, can punch through a class 3 vest. Cartridge was designed in the 1890's, and doesn't need a teflon coating. Designed for an 86 grain bullet, 1450fps. Small fast bullet, lots of energy in a small area.

[Woodnbow]

They are full bore at .729". For accuracy IDK! That's the experimental part. Jason used his bullet designing program to make sure it would stabilize with my twist rate. If it's accurate to 100 yards that's about the max it would be for range. The drop will be insane with this weight. And for game, more like buffalo lol.

The drop won’t be insane... but you probably know that by now, no more than anything leaving the muzzle at 1800 fps. Probably less drop than a .530 round ball from a Hawken...

The very first thing that came to mind when I stumbled into this thread is “a 20 gauge would suit my needs better.” The second thought was “a case full of Swiss 2f would make a lovely roar and darken the skies!” Well done and thanks for sharing!

[Scrounge]

skeetxx has it, it's a "cop killer bullet" ban. I don't think they realize that fast bullets can pierce armor. The .30 Mauser, as I understand it, can punch through a class 3 vest. Cartridge was designed in the 1890's, and doesn't need a teflon coating. Designed for an 86 grain bullet, 1450fps. Small fast bullet, lots of energy in a small area.

Also forgot to mention that you can't carry anything over .45 caliber for self-defense. Don't ask me, I've only lived here for a bit over 24 years. And Constitutional Carry was just passed last year.

[Bigbore.729]

Happy 4th yall. Got new wood for the 12gaFH. Not happy with it for the premium I paid. Got Boyd's "xx" walnut and got practically no figuring. Can't return it, so I did my best to make it look good. Got it unfinished so I sanded and filled grain and have around 14 layers of tru-oil sanding between layers. Came out looking good, but wish the wood looked better.

[Bigbore.729]

Got married yesterday! After we took our vows the men of my new family joined me in shooting the 12 Gauge from Hell. Got the stock heavier so recoil is greatly reduced. Doesn't lift my foot off the ground at 2k fps. Now I can go hotter without fear of getting knocked over. Next load should be close to 8k ft-lbs of energy







http://youtu.be/RLCoFJQASAw

[skeettx]

Congrats on the marriage
Yeeee Hawww !!

[Bigbore.729]

Thank you sir! Couldn't give my wife the wedding she deserves because all the covid... got legally married at the JOP and said our vows on the 4th in front of a small group of our family. Using the 4th as our anniversary date

[Bigbore.729]

Penetration test. Don't know why the velocity reading was so low... I have confirmed velocities on 205gr charges at 2k fps. At 210 gr it resulted in the same 2k fps. Now, the 205 charges had more neck tension than this load (.005" vs .003") but still. I can tell you, it certainly didn't recoil like this at my wedding with the confirmed 2k fps loadings. So I don't know what to believe, the chronograph or my shoulder. What's y'alls thoughts? Anyone have problems with magneto speeds? I would like to get a lab radar to use with it to get confirmation, but they are pretty pricey.

https://youtu.be/lDqtezTWdFU

[megasupermagnum]

I don't use that kind of chronograph myself, but my thinking is that style can't handle the kind of blast that comes with 200+ grains of powder. Even with normal loads, I set my chronograph a few feet away. I have to keep it close enough that wadding doesn't hit it, else I'd set it 10' away.

You are going to need a heck of a lot more jugs than that. I can't even begin to guess what kind of penetration is possible, but that slug absolutely decimated the first 6 or 7 of those. I've got a 45 acp load of a 255gr solid at about 850 fps. That load will blow up the first one, split the second good, then usually stop in the 10th jug. I'd try 20 jugs lined up!

[chic]

Sorry if I missed it looking through the posts--could you explain how you expanded the necks? That's a lot of expansion.

[Ozark mike]

I cringe when that thing goes off. My theory if a eyeball type chrony cant see that big bullet movin over it that company should be out of business my cheep caldwell does fine as long as it isnt to dark.