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Thread: Irreplaceable powders?

  1. #21
    Boolit Bub DAVIDMAGNUM's Avatar
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    Feb 2013
    Maryland's Eastern Shore
    I know in many calibers H4831 is a similar and suitable powder. In the one and only load that I use AA3100 for I have not been able to duplicate the accuracy with any other powders (yet).
    I know it is not the most efficient, powerful or highest velocity load but........ 50 grains of AA3100 in 45-70 Starline brass , CCI large rifle magnum primers and a 510 grains round nose Govt bullet is very accurate out to at least 500 meters in my Pedersoli Quigley Sharps. I still have 3+ pounds left. It will be a sad day when I run out. Then the load development starts.

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    Boolit Man
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    May 2009
    Elizabethtown, KY
    Losing SR4759 breaks my heart. Supremely accurate load with the 311284 in the .30-06 and the 375449 in .375 H&H. Add to that, that with velocities right around 1900 fps perfect for cast bullet hunting loads. There is a reason the big Model 70 in .375 was christened the "Star of Alox."

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    Madison County Ga.
    Some years back when I was imprisoned in New Yorkisstan.
    friend called on the phone one day his father-in-law passed away. He was a super avid reloader.

    It's too many cartridges for 458 win mag and something with a 224 bullet..
    I walked away with about everything he had including a case of this powder which was mixed with one or two other flavors.

    My God does this powder smell good when it burns!

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  4. #24
    Boolit Grand Master Texas by God's Avatar
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    +1 on the IMR aroma. It takes me back to 1974 and my first deer. Ah, memories!

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    Open a fresh can of IMR3031, smells as good as Fried Chicken.

    Fueled the .257Rob'ts that took my 1st Deer. 1966, the 1st yr CA decided We "needed" A HUNTER SAFETY Course. If I'd been born in '53, I'd not have needed to take the **** course.

    Still, H4895 will do bit more.
    I HATE auto-correct

    Happiness is a Warm GUN & more ammo to shoot in it.

    My Experience and My Opinion, are just that, Mine.

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    Boolit Buddy Ozark mike's Avatar
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    Apr 2019
    Northern Rockies
    I sure wish they would bring back 4759 about the best medium powder for bfr 45-70 and 1895gs using 51gr h322 now what a thumping powder my weak loads are full case of black

  7. #27
    Boolit Master
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    Quote Originally Posted by dverna View Post
    I would hate to lose Varget as it works very well for me. I would likely find something else as accurate but would not want to start over. I have about 20 lbs of it and should stock more. Will likely do that next year before the election.

    I have a handful of favorites but no other applications were replacing them would be much effort.
    You can use IMR 4064 .There had been some post on use of IMR 4064 in place of Varget .
    Life Member of NRA,NTA,DAV ,ITA. Also member of FTA,CBA

  8. #28
    Boolit Grand Master

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    munising Michigan
    med fast-aa2
    med unique
    slow aa9

    fast 1680
    med fast 2230
    med 4985
    med slow 4350/re19
    slow re22/4831
    real slow 7828/re25
    with those I can load anything. More is better but that's absolute minimum
    Soldier of God, sixgun junky, Retired electrical lineman. My office was a 100 feet in the air, closer to God the better

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    Boolit Buddy AllanD's Avatar
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    Feb 2008
    southern edge of the Poconos
    I'd be broken hearted if they discontinued IMR3031, because I've never loaded anything else in the 30WCF

    I've been asked about IMR3031 in the 45-70, but my two go-to propellants for that are IMR4198 and Reloader7

    As for 30-06 I tend to use IMR4064 in my semi-auto and Reloader19 or 22 in my bolt rifle

    When I started metallic reloading the recommendation for the 270Win was IMR4350 which I was unable to make my brothers rifle like, I did not have the same problem when I started load development with Reloader19.

    As for the 223Rem, I've never liked H-335 in that cartridge, always preferred Reloader7, simply because of the reduced Muzzle flash

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    Boolit Bub Guncrank's Avatar
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    The Old North State! US of A
    I'll cast my vote for IMR-PB. A great powder for many of the old black powder, lead bullet cartridges! I found it to work especially well in 38 Short & Weak as well as 9 Parabellum with a 125g lead RN-Conical pill in my PO-8's!
    However, owing to the great shortage of 2012-2016 I happened upon (thanks Graf & Sons) to Nobel Sport Vectan powders. Specifically Vectan 206-V as a wonderful replacement for PB as well as HP-38/W-231. It's a very clean burning, consistent diameter flattened domed-ball powder that is in the same burn range, meters easily and fills the case like PB. Of course, as it turns out, Nobel Sport discontinued 206-V in late 2018. But, at least I had the good sense/fortune to purchase a lifetime supply while the getten'was-good!

    For any that may be interested, Graf's still shows 206-V to be in stock (at 1990's prices of just over $14 a pound!) as sold in 7716 grain/1.1 pound jugs at the hansom price of just $15.59 each.

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    Boolit Master
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    Eastern WY
    Haven't found any powder the can't be replaced or improved upon. Started with Hi-Vel#2 in the 30-30, 2400 for the 22 Hornet. Went to 3031 for the 30-30 and now use Accurate 2015. Changed from 2400 to IMR 4227 for the Hornet,did not like that snap-on lid on Hercules powders, got a 45 Colt revolver, 4227 worked great. Now I use Accurate 1680 in a 218 Bee. Used H4198 in the 45-70, went to 2015. Started with IMR 4064 in 300 Savage, 308 Win - now Reloder 15 for 165's, 180's, Varget for 150's. Some powders just seem to work better than the older ones. IMR 4064 and 3031 do not measure very well, Reloder 15 and Varget measure well and usually provide better velocities. There is no single powder that does not have a suitable or better replacement, though mostly I would rather just shoot than do load development. I use Reloder 7, IMR 4227, H4198 and 5744 for boolits in most centerfires. Never liked BL-C2 or 748 due flash, blast, spiking in the heat.

  12. #32
    Boolit Buddy
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    Dec 2009
    Ball Ground, GA
    I still have some 4759 so I've been testing other powders for when the 4759 is gone. 2400 and 5744 seem to be good replacements. I haven't found a replacement for 4756 or 7625 in handgun. Both of those are unbelievably accurate powders in 32 long, 327 fed and 38 special.


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    Dec 2016
    Southern Middle Tennessee
    Quote Originally Posted by waco View Post
    When stash of SR4759 runs out I'm going tot give Rx7 a try. I hear good things about it.
    Heard that's discontinued now also .
    Grumpy Old Man With A Gun....... Do Not Touch !!

  14. #34
    Boolit Buddy
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    May 2012
    South Texas
    I still have and use # 80 smokeless powder in loading the 44 special. Have 4 unopened 1 pound containers!

  15. #35
    Boolit Master
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    Jul 2014
    I am down to three pounds of SR4759.
    So I switched over to RL7 and have had good results.
    I also have several pounds of 5744 that falls in the same range for the reloading that I do.
    I think with what I have for cast boolits in rifles alone will last me till I die.
    But I will miss the 4759 when I run out

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check