Why the hate?

[Burnt Fingers]

I've noticed on some other forums that there's a real hatred towards PC and Hi-Tek.

I have a feeling that those same people would have been telling us that the newfangled smokeless powder wasn't worth the effort.

Some people say that Hi-Tek takes too long. I wonder if they know they don't have to watch it dry and bake?

Change is constant. I see Hi-Tek and PC as positives in the bullet casting area. Lower cost of entry, less smoke, cleaner dies, and you are able to load up ammo and let it sit around.

I've lubed plenty of bullets. I hope to never have to use conventional lube again. I've pan lubed, tumble lubed, tried 45-45-10. I prefer Hi-Tek and PC. I still do both but more Hi-Tek than PC as my CDO requires that I stand the bullets up on parchment paper to bake the PC bullets.

[oteroman]

I think hate is a bit much


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[dverna]

Different needs. If you had a Star and only produced a couple of different bullets, you would likely think differently. BTW, I have never tumble lubed or pan lubed in over 45 years and it is unlikely to ever happened. if that is all you have ever done with traditional lubes, I understand why coated bullets are so much better...and they are!

I do not hate the new ways of lubing. In fact, one of my projects is to find a mold that produces a .358 bullet that does not need to be sized. I will use BLL for that's. but if I have to size anyway, the new methods do not offer me enough to reduce the time to make bullets.

[FLINTNFIRE]

I have not powder coated yet have everything to do so been testing the oven , bought smokes powder , waiting till new casting bench and time allows , but hate something that fits right in with our chosen hobby ? thats crazy , to me it would be like only loading one caliber , for one gun , and not branching out , seeing what else is there to shoot or load or cast and only using one lube or one weight of bullet , heresy , but then we all have different takes on the same things .

[dverna]

I have not powder coated yet have everything to do so been testing the oven , bought smokes powder , waiting till new casting bench and time allows , but hate something that fits right in with our chosen hobby ? thats crazy , to me it would be like only loading one caliber , for one gun , and not branching out , seeing what else is there to shoot or load or cast and only using one lube or one weight of bullet , heresy , but then we all have different takes on the same things .

Your post made me chuckle...but is so true...."we all have different takes on the same things"

My project is to have one bullet that will work in both the .38/.357 and the 9mm without sizing. So I am at the extreme opposite of what you enjoy doing. I don't even want to cast two bullets for two calibers. 90% of my pistol shooting is .38 Spl and 9mm.

[richhodg66]

I just don't see it offering anything to me I don't already have.

[sharps4590]

I certainly don't hate it but I doubt I'll ever do it. For what I like to do a sizer/luber works just fine and I don't have to get set up to do something else.

As far as branching out...I think I've done quite a bit of that. To consider only cast bullets my loads and rifles run from the 1870's and BP to the 1950's and smokeless and gas checked. A lot of those cartridges haven't been loaded in either Europe or the US in 100 years or more. For the "newer" rifles, post 1900, there's usually a j-word bullet load for them as well as cast. Rifles are single shot, bolt action, drillings, combination guns, double rifles and Schuetzen rifles and calibers from 25 to 50. I won't get into the muzzleloading rifles and shotguns or handguns.

[Baltimoreed]

I tried PC a few years ago and started having problems with it and just haven’t gotten back to it. Eventually I will but I have a lot of scrap and range lead of unknown hardness and composition, PC will allow me to use it up in my .45 handguns. Free potential bullets, they only cost me time and some effort. I do like the colors. Artsy fartsy ammo.

[richhodg66]

I tried PC a few years ago and started having problems with it and just haven’t gotten back to it. Eventually I will but I have a lot of scrap and range lead of unknown hardness and composition, PC will allow me to use it up in my .45 handguns. Free potential bullets, they only cost me time and some effort. I do like the colors. Artsy fartsy ammo.

This is the only benefit I think it would offer is that it would allow the use of really soft or unknown alloys, but I haven't really had problems shooting pretty soft stuff with no leading, just have to be sane about velocities and make sure fit is good and you have decent lube.

[Froogal]

If you like powder coating, then you should powder coat. I've watched a couple of Utube videos on powder coating and it looks like a hassle to me, plus I feel it is not period correct for CAS. Who knows though. I may try it someday. For now, tumble lubing and pan lubing works good for me.

[flyingmonkey35]

Hate leads to anger, anger leads to the darks side.

The dark side has cookies.

You will always find people who will disagree with you on any subject.

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[Bazoo]

I'm close to hating it. Also I'm close to trying it. For me it will be a bandaid on a gun that leads, not a way of life for all my guns. Lead bullets and traditional lube go together. I know it's better than wax/grease lubed bullets but it just ain't to my liking.

I forgot, one other reason I'm thinking of trying it is so I can push the velocity limit with 30-06.

It'll be a new tool in my bag of tricks, but won't replace my use of traditional lube.

[rbuck351]

Although PC is slower than my star, it will make a boolit larger. I have a few Lee nose rider molds that are too small on the nose rider part and PC can fix this. If it wasn't such a pita to stand up the long skinny boolits I would probably use it more. .224 boolits are a real pain to stand and then put in the oven and then remove and restand a bunch that fell over. I can't say I hate PC because it does help certain boolits but it takes longer to remove a boolit from the powder and set it on something to put in the oven than it does to place a boolit in the star and pull the handle. I do PC a few of my boolits but not ones that don't need it.

[flyingmonkey35]

Although PC is slower than my star, it will make a boolit larger. I have a few Lee nose rider molds that are too small on the nose rider part and PC can fix this. If it wasn't such a pita to stand up the long skinny boolits I would probably use it more. .224 boolits are a real pain to stand and then put in the oven and then remove and restand a bunch that fell over. I can't say I hate PC because it does help certain boolits but it takes longer to remove a boolit from the powder and set it on something to put in the oven than it does to place a boolit in the star and pull the handle. I do PC a few of my boolits but not ones that don't need it.

You can do what I do and just for for a batch method. I PC about 500 of those at a single go.
Shake in PC sift through a colander dump in a metal basket. Bake. Drop in water and the size.

I shoot the in a bolt action with catsneeze loads. Fantastic and fun to shoot

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[Ausglock]

For me, 99.9% of all my bullets get HITEK coated.
But there is still White label Lube in the Lyman 450 for the 45LC Cowboy loads.

[JSnover]

Change always encounters pushback. Everything that works now was resisted back then by someone, don't let it bug you.

[joe leadslinger]

If it wasn't for PCing I don't think I would be casting. I tried shooting lubed boolits and that is not for me, got fed up with the mess. Each to his own I guess.
No hate here. Just how I want to do it.

[OS OK]

PC'ing our casts is easy peezy...the methods have been worked out for years now.
The PC's that work well have been identified, heck you can even get idiot proof PC right here in this forum.

The problem often times is that people have trouble following the simple rules, don't pay attention or just won't put the extra effort in to get a superior coating...
Many times they get something like this...just because they didn't really think temperature is all that important.
hehehehe...this is what happened to one person...don't remember the exact cause of this, either not using a proper thermometer or using a toaster oven instead of a convection oven and trusting it's settings...



^ these results might make one hate PC'ing?

If standing long rifle casts is a problem there's a solution...a simple $5 mat does the job very nicely...



I like experimenting with the colors...this past year I've been trying to create the 'Old Lead' look...it's been rewarding and a lot of fun too.





Maybe the word 'hate' is a bit too strong, maybe it's right on the money for the person that said so...maybe, who even cares what they think or do?
PC keeps my seat dies clean and you can't say enough about that if you want constant COAL's.

[JBinMN]

The title made for good "click bait" for this guy. Was wondering who would "hate" a "process" so bad that it would be worth even talking about... Oh well... There's all sorts of folks out there. Should not surprise me...


Anyway, I tried PC once. It did not go well for me & I put it to the wayside & stuck with TL & pan lubing since then.

I just did not have the patience for getting it all worked out at the time, not because of the process so much as I wanted to get some boolits made to get out & go shooting, and I just didn't have the right motivation & patience to set my mind to getting it worked out when the other methods worked for me just fine & I was set up & ready to go with them.

I have PC'd fishing jigs for years, but the process I use for that is dipping each one at a time by holding the barbed hook end & then heating the attached powder thru a torch flame to melt & then hang to dry. Then pop it into an oven when I have the time, but if I am just gonna go fishing, I just use them as is...

Not too far off of what the PC process does, except in bigger batches at a time.

Someday soon, I will try again. Until then though, I will just read about how others "hate" the process & feel the need to whine about it on internet forums. LOL
^ Jerking the haters chain! ^

Reminds me of those who come into topics & do "drive by posts" about a topic others are interested in, but the "drive by posters" don't have any interest, but want to tell the ones who do have interest in it, how stupid they are for even thinking about it. Instead of just moving on & finding some topic the "drive bys" Are interested in talking about...

But, like I said earlier in the post... "There's all sorts of folks out there. Should not surprise me..."


Let them hate... Haters gonna be haters....

[Bazoo]

OS OK, what type of mat is that? How does that work compared to a wire rack made from chicken wire?