Teflon patching 45-70

[Tom W.]

Geeze, if it works for him, why beat his post to death?

[country gent]

Personally I would like to know the particulars of doing this type of tape, number of wraps tension and the full thing.

[rfd]

no disrespect offered to this thread's OP. i keep hearing what appear to be sporadic glowing reports about how these taped slicks perform. maybe a taped PPB is fine for hunters or plinkers, i dunno. my only PPB interests are for BPCR/TR. honestly, if teflon tape, or any kinda tape was worth doing for paper or steel i think we'd have all been hearing about it decades ago, shooters would be using it to place or win matches, and we'd all consider it a viable alternative to onion skin. what i don't understand is how a stretchable tape can allow for a consistent PPB bore rider diameter, and how any kinda tape that might (or does) stick to a slick on its journey downrange will offer consistent long range match quality accuracy. i'd be super happy if my concerns were found to be totally incorrect (but i'd still wrap with paper - i'm old and set in my ways).

[Tom W.]

I tried patching exactly 2 boolits for my 30/30 once. I'm too clumsy to make it a hobby....so I'll stick with a lubrisizer......

[EDG]

I once asked if anyone had used powdered PTFE mixed with lube in their lube sizer. Almost all of those that responded did so with a negative reaction without a thought for actually trying the stuff.
I can still remember it took about 20 to 30 years for the simple screw in chokes to be accepted by the shotgun shooters of this country.

[rfd]

i've been waiting for years to get corrected on my thinking about taped PPBs. not by interweb hearsay, but by long range match shooters posting good match scores. <silence> still waiting to eat me some crow.

[EDG]

If you never try anything new you never learn any thing new either.
There is an old saying that tradition is often making the same old mistake over and over and over. The use of powder coated bullets is proof of that.

Who cares what long range match shooters think?
There are many more casual shooters than long range match shooters. The world will move on without them. Sports always change or die.

[Edward]

If you never try anything new you never learn any thing new either.
There is an old saying that tradition is often making the same old mistake over and over and over. The use of powder coated bullets is proof of that.

Who cares what long range match shooters think?
There are many more casual shooters than long range match shooters. The world will move on without them. Sports always change or die.

I care cause comparing casual shooters to Long range match shooters is like comparing a soccer mom in her van to a fuelly dragster driver . Not even close ,to be competitive at long range requires stuff the casual shooter does not even know exists/just sayin Ed

[Chill Wills]

Who cares what long range match shooters think?
There are many more casual shooters than long range match shooters. The world will move on without them. Sports always change or die.

Why mess with an old singleshot and lead? I see a 6.5 Creedmoor and factory ammo in your future.

[Edward]

Why mess with an old singleshot and lead? I see a 6.5 Creedmoor and factory ammo in your future.

Said it better with less words

[BrentD]

Said it better with less words

True, but it's really called the 6.5 Manbun. The term Creedmoor is reserved for those who actually know and appreciate what it means, and there ain't nothing 6.5 about it.

[Gunlaker]

Now that is funny

[Chill Wills]

"Manbun"!
Now that is funny!

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Woa! I did not see your post...
Hey Chris, I hope you did not make the drive to Worland and get rained out.

[rfd]

I once asked if anyone had used powdered PTFE mixed with lube in their lube sizer. Almost all of those that responded did so with a negative reaction without a thought for actually trying the stuff.....

been there, done that. hi-tek's work fine, just not match legal for the very most part. blanket statements aren't what matters most, it's the details that count and stuff like taped PPBs and hi-teks aren't in the game i prefer to play. ymmv.

[indian joe]

why reinvent a wheel that ain't broke? besides, it's bad enuf that i use plastic wads in a 19th century cartridge.

I never shot a patched boolit - but sometimes its fun watchin you fellers "discuss" this stuff

The skinny white pipe tape dont make sense to me - it would either come off partway down range or cling on till the target - gas tape maybe would work - I could see it shedding at the muzzle (perhaps?) its a whole lot different to work with - gotta ask why bother though ? A grease groove boolit would do everything the average joe wants out to 500yards and a whole lot less trouble than messing around with plumbers tape.

Seems to me paper patch has two legit places .. the long range specialists - 500-600yards and on out, OR if you got a pressing need to get more powder in a small case (38/55 40/65 etc) ORR just cuz ya wanna do it (just as legit as tother two)

Still tryin to wring the last outta me grease groove boolits before I consider graduating to high school.............

[BrentD]

indian joe, you missed the boat on paper. It is suitable for all occasions and a lot less trouble that greasers.



But do as you wish. It's all good with me, so long as I can keep shooting PPBs for everything.

[indian joe]

[QUOTE=BrentD;4660994]indian joe, you missed the boat on paper. It is suitable for all occasions and a lot less trouble that greasers.

Brent ---

I have my grease job down pat, been doin that for over 50 years, so its all easy ..... and I like to shoot a string without cleaning - got that sorted for the most part.

However if I can find someone to show me that wrapping boolits in paper is "a whole lot less trouble than greasers" then you proly see a conversion happen!

Theres one feller in our club does it but he is single, he likes foolin around and I can beat him with grease boolits on the line any time. I met a bloke at easter that wants to spread the word (he offered me some patched boolits to try but my sharps is a little tighter bore so they wouldnt fit) he can beat me any time so the seed has been planted - hes a couple hundred miles away is the hitch.

Never say never !!!!!

[BrentD]

No doubt you do have it down pat. That's fine. Keep doing it. But you are flat wrong about paper patches - which you obviously do not have down pat. That is all.

As for showing you how easy, ask and you shall receive


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[Gunlaker]

I'd have to agree with Brent, depending on how you load. If you use neck tension ( i.e. any use of a sizer & expander ) then greasers are more effort. In some of my rifles I use zero neck tension and slip fit the bullets. In that case the loading effort is about the same, but greasers are messier. I've pretty much switched to dry patching which makes loading very quick and easy, and they shoot better for me that way.

When shooting, at least for me, greasers are a little bit less effort because of how I do my fouling management.

When cleaning, PP is by far the least effort.

Edit: I should add that all of my PP shooting is done with tight chambers so I don't ever size/expand the brass.

Chris.

[Lead pot]

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It only takes 14 seconds to patch a bullet I cast a bunch and when I watch the news I patch