Snyders JerkyReloading EverythingWidenersMidSouth Shooters Supply
RepackboxTitan ReloadingLoad DataLee Precision
Inline Fabrication RotoMetals2
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 22

Thread: Unidentified Projectile Found

  1. #1
    Boolit Mold
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Yakima, Wa
    Posts
    18

    Unidentified Projectile Found

    Wow! I haven't been here for over 5 years. Which is about how long it's been since I cast any boolits.
    But never mind that.
    While walking recently, I found along the sidewalk the object depicted in photos attached and description below. To all appearances, it is a large-caliber bullet but the location is a suburban area. To my knowledge, this has never been near a firing range or military aircraft operations area.
    However, the following circumstances apply: the area is on the southern fringe of Prescott Valley, AZ and has only in the last 25 years come under development. Right now, the immediate area is under heavy residential development requiring extensive terraforming: they’re hauling out a lot of dirt along the road I was walking. So whatever this is could have been dug up by heavy equipment and loaded onto an outbound truck, falling off along the way.
    First thought: I am dismissing the idea that this is a modern black-powder projectile. As an .80 caliber bullet weighing one and a half ounces I cannot imagine firing this from the shoulder – but I could be wrong.
    I reload small arms ammunition and cast my own lead bullets. This slug shows evidence of having once having been in a cartridge case: witness the evidence of a sealant in the area that would have been in the brass of a case. The chamfered base implies seating it into a case. The shiny ring may be an artifact of having been removed from one.
    I know of no modern (20th century and up) U.S. military ammunition that is not a jacketed bullet. This slug, with its hollow core, puts me in mind of a Minie ball, designed to expand and seal the bore upon gas impulse from the burning powder. Might the inner ring in the cavity been intended to maintain the integrity of the base at its departure from the bore, while the area inside the base, with a thinner wall, would expand? Thus, I wonder if this slug might date back to black-powder days, being intended for use in a large-bore, mounted weapon: rifled – or a smoothbore?
    It shows no sign of having been fired, that is, it lacks impact deformities of any sort. Deposits in the cavity appear to be mineralization.
    As an aside that probably doesn’t relate, Generals Crook and Miles based their pursuit of the Apaches in the 1870s and 1880s at Fort Whipple, only about eight miles from here on the north side of Prescott, AZ.

    EDIT: Oops! I see I did not put LOA in the pictures. This thing is 1.563" (39.5mm) long.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bullet with Scale.jpg 
Views:	782 
Size:	54.6 KB 
ID:	235443
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bullet, base, square.jpg 
Views:	39 
Size:	128.3 KB 
ID:	235444Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Bullet, base, angled.jpg 
Views:	53 
Size:	109.3 KB 
ID:	235445

  2. #2
    Moderator


    Winger Ed.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Just outside Gun Barrel City, Texas
    Posts
    9,688
    The Germans had some huge pistols for shooting at charging calvary, and There were giant Howda pistols for elephants at close range.
    But my first guess if it's fairly soft Lead, is that it is some form or fashion of a shotgun slug.
    Last edited by Winger Ed.; 02-06-2019 at 11:06 PM.
    In school: We learn lessons, and are given tests.
    In life: We are given tests, and learn lessons.


    OK People. Enough of this idle chit-chat.
    This ain't your Grandma's sewing circle.
    EVERYONE!
    Back to your oars. The Captain wants to waterski.

  3. #3
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    England,Ar
    Posts
    7,696
    My guess is a fishing sinker of some sort. I've melted some that looked like that but were smaller. The ones I had looked exactly like the picture but were about 9mm or 38 caliber and were dead soft.

  4. #4
    Boolit Buddy

    WheelgunConvert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Watson Louisiana
    Posts
    314
    Could it be a bearing shaft?
    Stronger, Prouder and Greater!

  5. #5
    Boolit Master

    Hogtamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    East central GA, Appling near Augusta
    Posts
    3,311
    The guys in the shotgun forum weigh their projectiles in Ounces, not grains 1 1/2 oz doesn't raise an eyebrow...size that to .735 and they will line up to load it!!!
    "My main ambition in life is to be on the devil's most wanted list."
    Leonard Ravenhill

  6. #6
    Boolit Master

    rancher1913's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    plains of colorado
    Posts
    3,648
    looks like the nose section of a boring machine. the power and phone companies use the machine to bore underground holes to pull their wire through so the dont have to dig up intersections or sidewalks.
    if you are ever being chased by a taxidermist, don't play dead

  7. #7
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Posts
    1,092
    My guess is some type of cement anchor, drive it in a hole drilled in a concrete wall, and screw in a bolt of some kind.

  8. #8
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    May 2016
    Location
    Hudson Valley NY
    Posts
    1,478
    It looks like a wedge for an anchor bolt.

  9. #9
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Posts
    2,377
    Could be the wind screen from a larger projectile. Normally would fit over the nose of a projo to give it better wind resistance. The fuze would probably go onto the cylindrical cavity of what you found. However having said all that I could be completely off base. Frank

  10. #10
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    NE Kansas
    Posts
    2,435
    Anyone familiar with 20 MM rounds? The projectile diameter would possibly be about right. It did not look like any of the images I saw on a search, but could be some type of training round that had the bullet pulled. Wiki had a lot of different projectiles listed.

  11. #11
    Boolit Buddy Liberty1776's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2018
    Location
    The Free State of Arizona
    Posts
    384
    Arizona was a military training area for many years before people decided to move here because it's a wonderful area to be free. I did so myself, evacuating from the lost cause that is California.

    We often find expended 50-cal Browning machine gun rounds here. There are even aircraft fuselages that crashed in the desert decades ago.

    This might be a military round of some sort, expended during a training run.

  12. #12
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    virginia
    Posts
    102
    Can you tell what material it is? The base doesn't look cast or swaged, it looks machined. I'm guessing it isn't a projectile.

  13. #13
    Boolit Master
    JBinMN's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2017
    Location
    Goodhue County, SE Minnesota
    Posts
    3,080
    Quote Originally Posted by Dusty Bannister View Post
    Anyone familiar with 20 MM rounds? The projectile diameter would possibly be about right. It did not look like any of the images I saw on a search, but could be some type of training round that had the bullet pulled. Wiki had a lot of different projectiles listed.
    ^A 20MM projectile was what first came to my mind.

    Maybe a tracer round? Having a hollow interior for phosphorus/magnesium or something(pyrotechnic flare) that would burn after being ignited by the smokeless perhaps...

    Very interesting find!
    2nd Amend./U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    ~~ WWG1WGA ~~

    Restore the Republic!!!

    For the Fudds > "Those who appease a tiger, do so in the hope that the tiger will eat them last." -Winston Churchill.

    President Reagan tells it like it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6MwPgPK7WQ

    Phil Robertson explains the Wall: https://youtu.be/f9d1Wof7S4o

  14. #14
    Boolit Mold
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Yakima, Wa
    Posts
    18
    Winger Ed, I hadn't thought along the lines you mention (a Howdah pistol you may be on to something with that. Same holds true for the shotgun connection Hogtamer mentioned. A 10 gauge bore is .775", closer even that a 12.

    I appreciate the responses here, guys; thank you and anyone else who chimes in. This is a real puzzler to me. If I don't get an answer here, it's off the NRA staff with my question, and if nothing there, the Smithsonian.

  15. #15
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    oklahoma
    Posts
    2,491
    Quote Originally Posted by salty dog View Post
    Can you tell what material it is? The base doesn't look cast or swaged, it looks machined. I'm guessing it isn't a projectile.
    Can you confirm that it is actually lead or a soft metal? Does a magnet stick?

  16. #16
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    3,158
    I’ll have to go with those here that think it’s probably some kind of construction or industrial component. I suspect that you’ll eventually find that it’s not a projectile of any kind, and has nothing to do with firearms.

  17. #17
    Boolit Buddy

    WheelgunConvert's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Watson Louisiana
    Posts
    314
    It really looks like a thrust bearing like used on a wheel puller.
    Stronger, Prouder and Greater!

  18. #18
    Boolit Master
    1911sw45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Princeton, KY
    Posts
    516
    I agree with Wheelgunconvert.

  19. #19
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    14,558
    May have been a seal end for a valve of some type.

  20. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    SE Iowa
    Posts
    679
    looks like a sandpoint tip

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check