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    I found the 250 jacketed to be super accurate as well and deadly on bull elk
    the 358 does not get the credit as it deserves
    the deer I have shot with it and cast have literally staggered after being hit
    I have not seen that with any other cartridge I have used
    a fine choice really with pretty much any bullet,boolit
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    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    I found the 250 jacketed to be super accurate as well and deadly on bull elk
    the 358 does not get the credit as it deserves
    the deer I have shot with it and cast have literally staggered after being hit
    I have not seen that with any other cartridge I have used
    a fine choice really with pretty much any bullet,boolit
    Due to the 16.5” barrel, I wasn’t really considering it for elk due to the fact that shots can sometimes range to 400 yards. But within 200, I’m sure it would be a hammer.


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    Does anyone have a 250-265gr bullet mold that is known to cycle in a BLR 358 & Ruger Hawkeye 358 without an excessive amt. in the case? I plan on some blackies in the future. Thanks Jim

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    Its a real nice bullet proven buy how many makers make copies!!

    I have a WFN 190 I also like allot but wish it was longer. I have a 235g Keith that shoots well but never too any game with it. NOE makes a real nice 280RN but the 358 dosent have the powder cap for 250+ weights. I actually prefer 225 as a heavy in the 358 and switch to the Whelen or Norma Mag when I need to shoot the heavier bullets. There is a point of diminishing returns.


    Then the 200 & 210 RCBS/ LYMAN bullet I like best.

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    Thanks! It’s probably too late, but I responded just in case.


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    According to my manuals 2000 fps. up to 275 grain should not be impossible? Your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by versa-06 View Post
    According to my manuals 2000 fps. up to 275 grain should not be impossible? Your thoughts?
    I get 2170 fps with a 290 gr. That's pushing past any factory loadings for power.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Seems WAY WAY faster then anything I have herd of in the 358. Hell its faster then Im shooting my Whelen 280’s!!

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    I had at one time some 275 gr Hornady rn and got them to 2170 in a 22" barrel.
    I have killed just one deer with cast. It was the Saeco 245gr bullet. I used h322 and the wound was the diameter of my pointer finger, or about .60-65. The Lee 208 gr I have, would I am sure make a much larger hole. I too would like a bit more bullet weight but for deer it is not necessary. I too think that the .358 Win peaks at 225-250 gr spitzers. Now all I shoot is cast and PC, i.e. old copper penny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwlongshot View Post
    Seems WAY WAY faster then anything I have herd of in the 358. Hell its faster then Im shooting my Whelen 280’s!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    I get 2170 fps with a 290 gr. That's pushing past any factory loadings for power.
    Quote Originally Posted by cwlongshot View Post
    Seems WAY WAY faster then anything I have herd of in the 358.
    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    all you need is the rite powder bullet combo
    I agree that an apples-to-apples approach should be taken. The following are velocities from a ~180gr projectile from a .308-based cartridge with a 24-26" barrel. One would think that things would favor the .358 given longer barrel (better expansion ratio) and shorter bullet bearing length, yet somehow it's more than 200fps slower than the .338Federal.

    With modern, strong actions you should be able to safely drive the .358 to far greater velocities than what's listed in commercial publishings, especially with some of the recently developed powders.

    Waksupi's 290gr load is not out of line in terms of muzzle energy of 308-based cartridges running at modern pressures.

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    7-08 Rem	24"bbl	2.800"OAL	IMR 4451	43.8C	2,598fps	58,800 PSI(175gr projectile)
    .308 Win	24"bbl	2.800"OAL	IMR 4064	45.2C	2,683fps	58,200 PSI 
    .338 Fed	24"bbl	2.810"OAL	8208XBR		48.5C	2,811fps	59,900 PSI 
    .358 Win	26"bbl	2.700"OAL	H4895		48.0C	2,603fps	49,900CUP
    Source: Hodgdon online reloading data
    Last edited by McFred; 02-15-2019 at 11:43 PM.

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