Minimum velocity using a 255 grain WFN boolit out of my vaquero for whitetail

[GLynn41]

GOOGLE OR Bing +P loads for the COWBOY.. the Vaquero

[Tripplebeards]

I would assume that's for the OLD vaquero

[rdwarrior]

The fastest recorded reaction time by a human is 0.101 seconds, and they didn't even start moving until that point. Look at bow hunters. With a measly 250 fps arrow, the best a deer can do is duck a few inches.

Deer have a much faster reaction time than humans. If you have ever deer hunt with a bow, then you know at 30 yards, the deer can drop completely and jump up, causing the arrow to completely miss the them. They react that fast to just the sound of the string. They duck way more than a few inches. Watch some of the videos of deer "jumping the string" and you will see what I am talking about.

[megasupermagnum]

The time between the sound getting there and the bullet .05 seconds. That deer isn't ducking a bullet, end of story.

[Hickok]

45 Colt, 8.5-9 gr of Unique under a 250-270 gr SWC from a New Model Vaquero will shoot through a deer's shoulder as far away as you can hit them. I have done it with my NM Vaquero.

[5Shot]

Here's the Brian Pearce article that has the various levels of 45 Colt, using the RCBS 270...should be a good start.

https://www.riflemagazine.com/magazi...246partial.pdf

[RP]

Not sure about you old timers but I can cut the front porch light and be in bed before it gets dark. I have also ran to the target to see where the bullet hit and have to wait on it to get there.

[cwlongshot]

I have shot end to end on two 120-130# deer with a 300G Speer FPJ bullet. This bullet is soft with a plated "jacket" Both times the bullet entered chest facing and exited hind quarters. Impact velocity was 1000-1100fps.

I don't remember shooting any with a 255G, but I have shot probably 4-5 with a 310 WFN cast at 1100-1150 Muzzle vel in a 7.5" Bisley and not one of them complained. At least a dozen more from my Marlin 20" with same load. That load was almost 1300 from a 10" Contender. That's only one I remember for sure chrono testing and don't remember shooting any deer with the 45C Contender.

IMHO, shoot for 1200< you do NOT need big velocity, the 45cal bullet esp a WFN is a very efficient killer. Interesting theology with deer dodging the bullet... I hadn't given it much thought. I tend not to shoot many nervous deer... Generally they are dead (if I'm gonna shoot them) seconds after I see them.

CW

[reloader28]

13gr HS-6 is an excellent load if you have it. It'll run about 1050fps in a 5 1/2" barrel at about 18,000 pressure.

[Ramjet-SS]

You will be better off with the 255WFN.

This is the best advice you can get. Meplat as wide as you can get. A cast them #2 Lyman alloy and you will have great pass through and very good disruption of the soft tissue.

LBT WFN

[Tripplebeards]

So a 44 mag and 45 colt are both straight walled pistol rounds with similar lengths. My question is why can't I find any lil gun or h110 loads receipies for the 45 colt? If I have to buy powder so be it but one or both of these powders I would think would work in the 45 colt?

[cwlongshot]

CW

[Tripplebeards]

The only powder I have that I can find loads for,which is trail boss, loaded to the max recommendation of 6 grains loaded long obviously won't give me enough velocity to get the job done.

[BAGTIC]

The elk must have been an accomplished high jumper as the bullet could not have lifted it off the ground.

[Bigslug]

Check the first two posts of this thread from my .45 ACP adventures from four years back, specifically the second post where it gets into penetration testing: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...ed-The-LBT-LFN

Deer aren't Tiger tanks, and your bullet mass at about 1000 fps was considered sufficient to chill out a horse back in the day. Since you've got a fixed sight gun, how fast do you need to push it to hit to the sights and about 50 yards?

[M-Tecs]

Only shot two deer with that type of load. Both were medium size whitetail bucks. Load was 8 grains of Unique with a 250 grain Lyman 454190 soft cast out of Cattleman 1873 Colt copy. Both broadside shoulder shots. They got the job done. Range was about 30 yards and 50 yards. Had some issues with the Cattleman and it was traded for a Ruger Blackhawk. After that I used top end Ruger only loads. Only shot a little 3 x 3 buck and a full size doe with them but I could not tell the difference.

With archery I haven't had any deer jump the string since I got above 240 FPS. My current bow is about 340 and I have shot a couple of bucks at around 35 yards that were looking directly at me. No string jump.

[5Shot]

So a 44 mag and 45 colt are both straight walled pistol rounds with similar lengths. My question is why can't I find any lil gun or h110 loads receipies for the 45 colt? If I have to buy powder so be it but one or both of these powders I would think would work in the 45 colt?

They are only used for high pressure recipes.

[M-Tecs]

The elk must have been an accomplished high jumper as the bullet could not have lifted it off the ground.

Very true. Disruption to the nervous system is what most people are seeing. Energy is energy. Recoil is generated by the bullet and mass for the powder accelerating. The reverse is also. If a bullet enters the barrel from the muzzle and it decelerates at the same rate it accelerated you would be unable to tell the recoil from the impact. Small targets like prairie dogs do get "thrown" but that is from hydrostatic expansion.

[M-Tecs]

So a 44 mag and 45 colt are both straight walled pistol rounds with similar lengths. My question is why can't I find any lil gun or h110 loads receipies for the 45 colt? If I have to buy powder so be it but one or both of these powders I would think would work in the 45 colt?

These are above the new model Vaquero pressure limits. The original Vaquero are Blackhawk frames. The new Vaquero's are smaller frames and cylinders.

https://www.johnlinebaughcustomsixguns.com/writings

Hodgdon list both powder but they are above new model Vaquero pressure limits.

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

[dk17hmr]

IMR has data on their site for H110 in 45lc but it's high pressure/strong action loads