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    A 10 mm plan

    Folks,
    I have a love of the 10mm. Had a colt delta elite gave it up. Still have brass, dies etc.
    Made the mistake of handling an Springfield XDM 4.25 10mm. Now it's in layaway.
    Now to the plan.....10 mm woods/farm carry/hunting/defense 2 and 4 legged.
    I need a 200-220 grain ish mold that has some metplat
    And I have a 210 grain Lee tumble lube mold from my 41AE pin gun days.
    Should I try casting these ? They drop @.412-.413 and 215 grains and powder coat them????and size down to .403 or.404 for my new 10mm ? Kind of a powder coat ranch dog of sorts ? Thoughts good or bad welcome
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    i can't speak more highly of the LBT 402-200-WFN. The question is whether your XD will feed them or not. They run well in my Glock 20. Veral cut one cavity as a gas check, and 3 plain base.

    The PB loaded to 1250 fps with Accurate no. 9 is a thumper. I size mine to a hair over .401" via an NOE sizer.

    Montana Bullet Works sells that bullet lubed or HT coated, so you could "try before you buy."

    Congrats on the return back to the 10mm! My favorite handgun cartridge.


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    The XDM should have no problem feeding that bullet

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    Chalk up another vote for the 10mm. But my guess is that it will take more than one try to size a lead boolit down that much. I don't own any Colts, but thay are all full size 1911's. Awfully curious why you ditched the Colt.

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    Slide cracked from the hot *** norma 170 grain loads. Colt fixed it. I sold it. Got in line for a Bren ten........they went belly up
    Have always wanted a S&W 1076......they are too collectable.....

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    I would look for a 10mm mold, trying to size down a .412-.413 to .401 would cause more issues then you need. There are several 220-240gr 10mm molds that produce great bullets. I shoot alot of subsonic 10mm suppressed and had Tom cut a mold to my design @ 240gr it cast great and while I am still working on load development it shoots great and feeds thru my DI AR15 10mm. It is in Tom's catalog # 40-240D
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    Tom has several designs in the weight range you are looking for. I also think the LBT designs are a good choice as well and there are several companies that cast the LBT designs so you could try some before buying a mold. Here is a popular one. https://www.montanabulletworks.com/p...-200gr-wfn-pb/
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    Or you could obtain a BT Sniper one step die and make JHP pills from your old 9x19 brass. Just a matter of adjusting the die to get 200+ gr pills. My Lyman mold throws 130 gr Pb bullets, (124 gr 6%-2%). That plus the brass and I have to cut off lead to stay at 190 gr.

    These are for the conversion barrel for my G21.
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    If it was me I'd buy some of the 200gr bullets from Montana bullet works to make sure they feed ok. If the do feed arsenal molds sell a mold that is a very close copy or my first choice would be a mold from accuratemolds he can twerk one of his existing molds if needed or you can design you very own. Either way you'll have a great mold that will drop the way you want. Good luck and have fun

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    Hello gutpile,

    Another fan of the 10mm here.
    Caspian frame and slide 1911 I built; I'm lucky enough to have talked another member out of his 5" S&W 910.
    Now researching a 10mm ar to go with the 45acp ar

    MiHa has some great moulds.

    https://www.mp-molds.com/e-shop/sear...tribute_ids=41
    And offering free shipping right now.

    I have a 180 hp/ 200 solid - has a pretty healthy meplat.
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    I run a bunch of the NOE 200 grain WFN design in my 10mm's. The 1911's like them loaded no more than 1.250" COAL. The Witnesses and Glocks feed them fine no matter what. I imagine the XD will mirror the Glocks as far as diet.

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    I make and shoot a few different heavy bullets for my 10mm's.

    For general shooting I like the NOE 200 WFN with a GC because I can make them fast with a 5 cavity mould:

    in the pic you see a raw casting, bullet coated with Hi Tek and a gas check sized on and finally a loaded round

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    I also have a LBT 220 gr. WFM with a GC mould I use, my 610 revolver really likes this one.

    In the pic below L to R:

    200 gr. bullet pulled from some old gen Double tap ammo

    LBT 220 gr. WFN

    Lyman 200 gr.

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    And finally I also make my own jacketed bullets swaging them out of fired cases as jackets.

    In the Pic below L to R:

    190 gr. JHP using 9mm case

    190 gr. JHP with dual cannelures for loading in my revolver

    210 gr. JSP using 9mm case

    240 gr. JHP using a .38 Super case as the jacket

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    I shoot several 10's, including 610's, MegaStars, and Witnesses. I shoot the NOE 2 larges RG moulds. I think 180gr and 200gr. They feed great in all of them.

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    I picked up a S&W 1076 last year and my son just bought a XDM 10mm with the 5.25" barrell. Big fans of the 10.

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    Another fan here! I have a number of tens to keep feed!

    I want a WFN mold as well havent sprung for one yet. But have been buying them. I shoot mostly the Lyman 175 TC bullet for tgt and it works well. Picked up three lee molds the two 175’s and the 145. The conventional 175 works well. The 145 is now dedicated to the 40.

    I dont shoot the Deltas much as they are getting collectable. Especially the delta match target stainless. But the G20/19 are GREAT FUN!

    I have been shooting my 20 on my 21 frame but dont lile how it beats up my brass. The ejector is forward pushing the ten into the chamber before its out if the chamber... It works fine, I just dont like it. My 1991 mfg G20 frame is on a mech tech. I really need another G20 Receiver.

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    I have no need for a gc on any pistol bullet, just adds cost & more work. Accurate has a great selection of 10mm bullet molds. A better way to go than trying to size down 0.010". Tom made the 40-195-G to my specs, widest meplat that will reliably feed in a Glock. It comes in just under 200gr, but IMO, nothing is gained pushing a 220gr solid slower. Both will exit just about anything you shoot them with.
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    I completely agree about weight! I would like a 190 ish WFN.

    With PC, (I know its NOT a replacement for a GC) the need for a GC on some intermediate vel rounds like the 10MM this might just hold merrit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intel6 View Post
    Finally I also make my own jacketed bullets swaging them out of fired cases as jackets.

    In the Pic below L to R:

    190 gr. JHP using 9mm case

    190 gr. JHP with dual cannelures for loading in my revolver

    210 gr. JSP using 9mm case

    240 gr. JHP using a .38 Super case as the jacket

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    This greatly interests me!

    Do you anneal the cases first, I would think they might be brittle or too hard otherwise?

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    Yes, the cases get annealed first to make them soft so they swage better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwlongshot View Post
    I completely agree about weight! I would like a 190 ish WFN.

    With PC, (I know its NOT a replacement for a GC) the need for a GC on some intermediate vel rounds like the 10MM this might just hold merrit!

    CW
    I run mine right at 1200fps. Cast of range scrap & coated, they shoot great, 2" @ 25y in my stock G21/gen3, No leading issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredj338 View Post
    I run mine right at 1200fps. Cast of range scrap & coated, they shoot great, 2" @ 25y in my stock G21/gen3, No leading issues.
    Fred, I tend to agree. I asked Veral to cut one cavity of my 200 gr WFN mold with a GC. On hindsight, I wish I'd gone plain base on all 4 cavities. I run the PB to 1250 fps with no issues. It takes a lot of work to make enough gas checked boolits to keep an auto-loader fed.

    I PC and alloy is approx 3% Sb 1% Sn
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
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