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    I looked at a new Remlin 1894 at the last gunshow we had. Cheap looking thing almost like a china cap gun. Wood looked fake and fit was awful, blueing looked painted on. $1000 plus price tag.
    Same with a few of the new winchesters I saw, just cheap looking careful how you hold it might break upon firing type of things.

    I like Marlins but not the new ones. Oldest I have is a 1952 model 39, excellent fit and finish. My 99 1894 and 2000 1895cb are both decent rifles with personality and still well built.

    A lot of good companys are dying off, changing hands, downsizing and ect. The dollar has became more important than any item made, cheap throw away stuff nowadays!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicholst55 View Post
    I agree about Remington. Until they resume actually HOT BLUEING their guns, I won't buy a new one - and probably won't even then. I finally sent my 870 Express out and had it parkerized, so I could keep it from rusting, just sitting in the air conditioned house! That black oxide finish they use should be illegal to apply to a firearm.

    Remington will never hot blue in Ilion again. The power plant that delivered steam to them refused to renew their contract about 5 years ago. There were a few articles about it at the time which specifically referenced the steam was used for hot blueing.
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    I lost all use for remington with the recall on the model 700 trigger,you have to send the thing to a guy in Minnesota to get it inspected and stamped. I also have no use for a 870 since I had a shell come loose while i was reloading the mag tube, the shell went under the lifter,the gun was then a dead stick I had to go to my side arm. This happened at a VERY bad moment.

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    I like my Remingtons but most are 25 years or older. I bought a 700 SPS .223 with the Hogue stock that everyone was saying were junk rifles. I brought it home, cleaned it, mounted a scope and sighted it in and it shoots sub one inch groups at 100 yards with my hand loads or the Remington 62 grain ammo I bought. I guess I can't complain about Remington, YMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lead-1 View Post
    I like my Remingtons but most are 25 years or older. I bought a 700 SPS .223 with the Hogue stock that everyone was saying were junk rifles. I brought it home, cleaned it, mounted a scope and sighted it in and it shoots sub one inch groups at 100 yards with my hand loads or the Remington 62 grain ammo I bought. I guess I can't complain about Remington, YMMV.
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    I purchased new firearms from Henry, S&W, Glock, and Ruger last fall. Had problems with the Ruger. To their credit they cheerfully finished reaming the cylinder and replaced the trigger group in my SP-101. That first 327 magnum round out of a bad chamber locked the cylinder and trigger. Glad it cost me nothing more than time.

    I am very happy with the Henry and the Glock. I guess I got what I paid for. Although I did not consider the cost of the Ruger to be inexpensive. It will be a very long time before I consider buying a new firearm from Ruger. The quality of the S&W shield is acceptable, given the cost, and function has been flawless so far. The accuracy of the Henry surprised me.

    I found a Savage 340 at the LGS recently but wont know how well it shoots until things thaw out. There is a new Ruger No. 1 in 30-30 for sale on gun broker, also some Winchester model 54s.

    I used to shop for the lowest price. Now I am suspicious of products that do not cost enough. I would much prefer manufacturers keep their standards high and increase prices appropriately rather than cutting corners to increase profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crankycalico View Post
    Anyone else just said hell with a company and avoided all those products from then on? Ive finally hit my end with Remington today.

    First they recommend me to an authorized center to rebarrel a rifle for me. A center that DOESNT understand what "rebarrel a rifle" means. Or just doesn't know how to do that.

    Then the custom shop, which claims it cant take a regular production rifle off the floor like a 700 bdl and slap a 7x57 barrel on it so I would have the features I want on it. And they CANT do a rifle in 30-30 because the cartridge rim is "beyond them".

    I was thinking on a 1911 if my rifle project fell through, and I was looking at Remington because they have one I actuallylike the looks of. but not anymore.
    It is a truly sad reality you've experienced from a company who played a large roll in pioneering the gun industry. IMO, Remington is heading down a gloomy path to it's own demise much the same as Colt has done and that which Browning seems very close to doing as well. Corporate arrogance, poor quality and customer insensitivity are hallmarks of a failing company. Brand loyalty will only carry a company so far before its customers raise their hand high in the air and extend that middle finger of disgust to show them what they think. They then promptly spin on their heels and run to embrace a competitor's, better, product and service. This happened to IBM and it should happen to AT&T (although they have more money than god.)

    I vote with my feet - always, and every one here should do the same. It's the only way we have to reward good performance, service and product. Real Americans don't just buy American.... Real Americans buy what the want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crankycalico View Post
    Anyone else just said hell with a company and avoided all those products from then on? Ive finally hit my end with Remington today.

    First they recommend me to an authorized center to rebarrel a rifle for me. A center that DOESNT understand what "rebarrel a rifle" means. Or just doesn't know how to do that.

    Then the custom shop, which claims it cant take a regular production rifle off the floor like a 700 bdl and slap a 7x57 barrel on it so I would have the features I want on it. And they CANT do a rifle in 30-30 because the cartridge rim is "beyond them".

    I was thinking on a 1911 if my rifle project fell through, and I was looking at Remington because they have one I actuallylike the looks of. but not anymore.
    You already know from a previous thread that you need to find a good custom gunsmith that is likely not listed as a Remington parts swapper.

    But you still want to get angry at a mass manufacturer for not doing a CUSTOM rifle job for you, or recommending someone who can?

    Well, go right ahead. If you'd rather waste your energy, time and anger going down a blind alley, I'm sure I can't help you any more.
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