Cape gun query

[peter72]

Hi all. I'm interested in this gun advertised locally but I can't find any info on the rifle.
Advertised as 11.3mm.
Does anyone have any info to share on this as google isn't really helping.


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[Wayne Smith]

If you get it do a cast of the chamber. Mine is 10.5x47R on the rifle side, 16ga,2.5" on the other. Damascus shotgun, fluid steel rifle. Sent the cast to Dave Davidson at CH4D and he told me that mine is different than his other 24 10.5x47R chamber molds! I have no idea of value here, I was told that in Europe they are common and demand the equivelant of $250-$400.

[Deadeye Bly]

Being a Swiss gun it is probably a Werndl caliber. It could be an 11.15 x 42 which is a straight case introduced in 1867. Or it could be an 11.15 x 58 which is a bottleneck case introduced in 1877. Some of the earlier guns were rechambered to the bottleneck round but mostly the military rifles. Both rounds shoot a .441" diameter bullet. There is also an 11.4 Werndl which shoots a .449" diameter bullet. A chamber cast is certainly in order to determine what it is.

[peter72]

Thanks for the info gents.
So pretty much next to no chance of finding brass.

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[KCSO]

If you can find one shoot for a 9.3 calibre as brass is easier to find or make. The 16 Ga barrel will be 2 1/2 and I load mine with brass shot shells only.

[peter72]

If you can find one shoot for a 9.3 calibre as brass is easier to find or make. The 16 Ga barrel will be 2 1/2 and I load mine with brass shot shells only.

Already have a 9.3x72R. Just looking at another to add to the collection.


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[justashooter]

11.3 is .444. you are looking for a rimmed cartridge. it could be a 47MM length case, which was common in the 1880's from 9-11.5mm in german and austrian circles in 200 meter offhand rifles.

[sharps4590]

I have several old German firearms, drillings, combination guns and stalking rifles. Usually the cases aren't very difficult to make. Biggest problem comes if they are on what is often called the Mauser "A" base. Even those can be made if a fella doesn't object to buying some expensive brass. I have a combination gun in the same chamberings as Wayne's that isn't Nitro proofed. I sacrificed some 11.15 X 60R brass to make the cases for the rifle barrel. I think it was well worth the effort. The gun is simply a hoot to shoot with BP. For me, I wouldn't be afraid of it just because I don't know the chambering.

I think it was Graf's who had some 9.5 X 46R that could be necked up to 10.5 if done carefully. I also believe they only had two boxes of 20 and they might be gone now.

[peter72]

So speaking to the owner via texts, he tells me it's an 11.4mm Swiss.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?

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Edit: some new info:
11.4 Dutch Remington.

[Wayne Smith]

I have several old German firearms, drillings, combination guns and stalking rifles. Usually the cases aren't very difficult to make. Biggest problem comes if they are on what is often called the Mauser "A" base. Even those can be made if a fella doesn't object to buying some expensive brass. I have a combination gun in the same chamberings as Wayne's that isn't Nitro proofed. I sacrificed some 11.15 X 60R brass to make the cases for the rifle barrel. I think it was well worth the effort. The gun is simply a hoot to shoot with BP. For me, I wouldn't be afraid of it just because I don't know the chambering.

I think it was Graf's who had some 9.5 X 46R that could be necked up to 10.5 if done carefully. I also believe they only had two boxes of 20 and they might be gone now.

I bought 9x47R Mauser A brass from Huntington's years ago and necked it up. Actually I fireformed it. I'd check there and BACO.

[sharps4590]

I don't remember BACO having it but their inventory changes frequently so I'd certainly check...and unfortunately I NEVER think of Huntington's and why I don't know.

I didn't find either of those cartridges in COTW or Donnely's manual of cartridge conversion.

[justashooter]

So speaking to the owner via texts, he tells me it's an 11.4mm Swiss.
Does this ring a bell with anyone?

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Edit: some new info:
11.4 Dutch Remington.

http://www.cartridge-corner.com/metric.htm

look at 11.3X45 dutch remington.
http://www.municion.org/11/11_3x45RdutchRem.htm

[Wayne Smith]

For what it's worth mine was sold sometime between 1885 and April 1, 1892. That's as close as I've been able to date it.

[sharps4590]

Closest I've been able to date mine is pre-1891-93 proof law. Wayne, what action is yours on? Mine is on a Jones underlever action so I'm suspecting 1880's.

[Wayne Smith]

Not sure what it's called. The under lever is part of the forearm. Was sold by F. Kuhner in Stettin, Germany who opened his business in 1885 in Stettin and the proof law came into effect April 1, 1892 - and mine has no proof marks. Thus the boundaries of when it was sold the first time.